Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

Just like calling every person who can whip up some html and JavaScript an "Engineer" is bad for the reputation of Engineering as a whole, so calling everything that has statistics and is peer reviewed "science" is bad for the reputation of science. I think a lot of damage to science has come from psychology and "social sciences" in corroboration with the popular press when one-off studies are popularized with supposedly profound implications for our understanding of how humans work, only to be contradicted a few months/years later by a different one-off study.

I think for the sake of our future, we should stop putting both physics which can predict, detect, and verify gravity waves from across the universe, and social sciences which are largely surveys with statistics into the same bucket.

Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by mankash666 » Thu, May 18, 2017, 5:27 AM UTC

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #4

Just like calling every person who can whip up some html and JavaScript an "Engineer" is bad for the reputation of Engineering as a whole, so calling everything that has statistics and is peer reviewed "science" is bad for the reputation of science. I think a lot of damage to science has come from psychology and "social sciences" in corroboration with the popular press when one-off studies are popularized with suppos…

Everything that's peer reviewed and backed by statistics is science. This article is stating that the (non) statistics used by the author, a.k.a cherry picking, is the root of fake results.

If indeed one could replicate the results every single time, over a large population, then ESP would hold true. But that obviously fell flat on its face when the Berkeley coders backed it up with their online experiment

Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by ouid » Thu, May 18, 2017, 5:51 AM UTC

>For the rest of that semester and into the one that followed, Wu and the other women tested hundreds of their fellow undergrads. Most of the subjects did as they were told, got their money, and departed happily. A few students—all of them white guys, Wu remembers—would hang around to ask about the research and to probe for flaws in its design. Wu still didn’t believe in ESP, but she found herself defending the experiments to these mansplaining guinea pigs. The methodology was sound, she told them—as sound as that of any other psychology experiment.

Calling the act of being skeptical towards a study designed to demonstrate ESP "mansplaining" is about as disingenuous as it gets.

Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC » Thu, May 18, 2017, 5:52 AM UTC

mankash666 wrote: post #5

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #4

Just like calling every person who can whip up some html and JavaScript an "Engineer" is bad for the reputation of Engineering as a whole, so calling everything that has statistics and is peer reviewed "science" is bad for the reputation of science. I think a lot of damage to science has come from psychology and "social sciences" in corroboration with the popular press when one-off studies are popularized with suppos…

Everything that's peer reviewed and backed by statistics is science. This article is stating that the (non) statistics used by the author, a.k.a cherry picking, is the root of fake results. If indeed one could replicate the results every single time, over a large population, then ESP would hold true. But that obviously fell flat on its face when the Berkeley coders backed it up with their online experiment

So if Viking A measured thunder when it was cloudy vs clear, did some statistics and concluded with a sufficient P value that Thor was more likely to swing his hammer when it was cloudy, and then got a bunch of his buddies to agree his math was ok, you would call that science?

Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by aaron695 » Thu, May 18, 2017, 7:51 AM UTC

ouid wrote: post #6

>For the rest of that semester and into the one that followed, Wu and the other women tested hundreds of their fellow undergrads. Most of the subjects did as they were told, got their money, and departed happily. A few students—all of them white guys, Wu remembers—would hang around to ask about the research and to probe for flaws in its design. Wu still didn’t believe in ESP, but she found herself defending the exper…

That pretty much sums up Slate in it's current form.

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Post by dracht » Thu, May 18, 2017, 10:11 AM UTC

ouid wrote: post #6

>For the rest of that semester and into the one that followed, Wu and the other women tested hundreds of their fellow undergrads. Most of the subjects did as they were told, got their money, and departed happily. A few students—all of them white guys, Wu remembers—would hang around to ask about the research and to probe for flaws in its design. Wu still didn’t believe in ESP, but she found herself defending the exper…

I stopped reading there. You have got to give them credit for being able to inject some "white guys ugh am i right" message regardless of the story. Slate is garbage.

Re: Daryl Bem Proved ESP Is Real, Science Is Broken

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Post by lloydjatkinson » Thu, May 18, 2017, 12:47 PM UTC

dracht wrote: post #9

ouid wrote: post #6

>For the rest of that semester and into the one that followed, Wu and the other women tested hundreds of their fellow undergrads. Most of the subjects did as they were told, got their money, and departed happily. A few students—all of them white guys, Wu remembers—would hang around to ask about the research and to probe for flaws in its design. Wu still didn’t believe in ESP, but she found herself defending the exper…

I stopped reading there. You have got to give them credit for being able to inject some "white guys ugh am i right" message regardless of the story. Slate is garbage.

I fully agree, be careful though I recently found out the "SJW I hate whites" types are among the mods here.