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ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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Its because bit torrent trackers are much more than just an index of torrents. They need a huge support system with forums, membership systems, point systems, funding drives, etc. If you look at the software that runs these sites you will see that moving to a distributed platform would not be so easy.

Unless I misunderstood you, none of that is relevant if you're not using index sites in the first place.

> none of that is relevant if you're not using index sites in the first place

One of the reasons that bittorrent has been successful and all the other protocols have failed is precisely because it allows for the use of private index sites.

This allows for the creation of custom software that can provide all those extras (forums, comments, ratings, descriptions, etc.), but most importantly, user tracking.

If you track the user, you can solve the sharing problem. For someone to download, someone else has to upload. Using index sites allows you to solve the hit-and-run problem, where someone just downloads, but then doesn't upload. You just ban those people. You then end up with a community where everyone plays nice, which leads to fast speeds and an eagerness to share content.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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I'm continually surprised that Bittorrent is still relying on content indexing websites. The edonkey community solved this problem years ago with fully distributed search that only relies on the peers themselves[0]. Can anyone with insight into the BT comunity/technology offer any ideas why they never moved in this direction? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kademlia

I wonder if Open Bazaars model would work for Bittorrent? Maybe spam is an issue; it tends to be in open systems.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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It's hard to imagine how you could operate a successful torrenting site in 2017; they represent such a loss of income to so many people with expensive lawyers.

Expensive lawyers yes, loss of income, probably not much. The majority of torrent users are not likely to suddenly pay for the same content.

Obviously it's not a 1:1 ratio of lost revenue to pirated material. But I bet many pirates would spend some money / watch commericals if they were forced to for entertainment.

I've seen some suggestion that they spend more on average than the average consumer. But I suspect they'd spend even more. And getting some content free and paying for others has discretionary effects.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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I was hit hard by btjunkie [1] going down. IMO, nothing yet has been able to replace it [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTJunkie

If you have time would you mind sharing the top 3 unique/favorite features? I'm not an expert in this space but I'm curious what it was that made BTJunkie so special.

The search results felt a lot like Google's. That is, the end user puts in minimal effort and automagically their torrents showed up with high ranking. The site itself was fast and minimal. The torrents had comments where an active community left notes (e.g. media quality, warnings, etc)

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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I was about to add them to our tracker list. :( https://github.com/sergiotapia/magnetissimo There's something really sad when these sites die, a part of my teenage life is gone for good. I felt the same way when Demonoid shut down. Can these sites skate the legality line by offering only magnet links? Why are their costs so high if they can just host magnet links and cache the site with Varnish or something similar?

no RARBG? There was an article on HN recently about automatically bypassing their anti-scraping measures. Interesting read.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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I was about to add them to our tracker list. :( https://github.com/sergiotapia/magnetissimo There's something really sad when these sites die, a part of my teenage life is gone for good. I felt the same way when Demonoid shut down. Can these sites skate the legality line by offering only magnet links? Why are their costs so high if they can just host magnet links and cache the site with Varnish or something similar?

I've been imagining a grooveshark like site, run on magnet links, using browser based torrenting, and with all URLs and playlists user contributed. What's the legal precedent for suing that out of existence?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_aspects_of_hyperlink...

You could alternatively try to argue that it’s not a “website,” but an app. Google calls certain websites “progressive apps,” for example, so it’s very plausible. That would be interesting.

Then again: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14001903

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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I'm continually surprised that Bittorrent is still relying on content indexing websites. The edonkey community solved this problem years ago with fully distributed search that only relies on the peers themselves[0]. Can anyone with insight into the BT comunity/technology offer any ideas why they never moved in this direction? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kademlia

Distributed indexing is very hard, slow and easily gamed. If you remember Kazaa, for example, it had an enormous problem with low quality content and malware.

The best solution is not fully distributed indexing, rather decentralized indexing, such as IPFS.

Re: ExtraTorrent Shuts Down for Good

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I was about to add them to our tracker list. :( https://github.com/sergiotapia/magnetissimo There's something really sad when these sites die, a part of my teenage life is gone for good. I felt the same way when Demonoid shut down. Can these sites skate the legality line by offering only magnet links? Why are their costs so high if they can just host magnet links and cache the site with Varnish or something similar?

I've been imagining a grooveshark like site, run on magnet links, using browser based torrenting, and with all URLs and playlists user contributed. What's the legal precedent for suing that out of existence?

Pretty much all torrent index that have closed ? They were in a very similar position (no content is hosted, but they help piracy) and we can see where that lead them. Your idea is probably even harder to defend, because you'd be sending the webtorrent code directly along the list of torrents, instead of having to copy-paste a link in another application. As a user, it feels like I'm just clicking on a button to download (or play) music, so it feels like your site is directly distributing content (we can talk all day long about the technicalities, but we know they don't matter as much as we'd like)
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