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Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by roymurdock »

marsRoverDev wrote: post #32

Is there any information on how well the latest MBP model has sold? I want to see Apple's bottom line being hit by the poor decision making. I personally went for a dell XPS 13 (and I'm regretting it, but that's another story).

Apple doesn't report out MBP numbers separately, it bundles them with all products in the Mac line.

Mac product sales declined 10% YoY from 25.4B in 2015 to 22.8B in 2016. Units shipped were also down 10% YoY from 20.6M to 18.5M. Apple's explanation: Mac net sales and unit sales decreased during 2016 compared to 2015. The year-over-year decline in Mac unit sales during 2016 was at rates similar to the overall market. The effect of weakness in most foreign currencies relative to the U.S. dollar also negatively impacted Mac net sales.

The entire Mac line only makes up ~10% of Apple's revenues, whereas iPhone sales generate ~60% of revenue, so the MBP (guesstimate: 1-2% of overall revenue?) is not hugely important to Apple.

http://investor.apple.com/secfiling.cfm?filingID=1628280-16-...

Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by valuearb »

danjoc wrote: post #13
HugoDaniel wrote: post #7

Seems like fake news. Apple rarely introduces new hardware in WWDC. And the ammount of references to the Surface Laptop make it read a bit like sarcasm, even though it surely does not seem intended. "Part of the motivation with these upgrades is to remain competitive with Microsoft and its newly introduced Surface Laptop"

>fake news There's another word for it: Vaporware. Competitor releases new hardware and you're caught flat footed? No problem! 'Leak' rumors about your hot new hardware just around the corner. Kill their sales as people wait for your product that doesn't exist. Flagged story. When did this become a rumor site?

Apple doesn't do that, it has always been tight lipped, mainly so it doesn't hurt it's own sales.

Pretty sure they have little concern about the Surface Laptop with dirt collecting fabric, and windows jr. operating system.

Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by fred256 »

marsRoverDev wrote: post #32

Is there any information on how well the latest MBP model has sold? I want to see Apple's bottom line being hit by the poor decision making. I personally went for a dell XPS 13 (and I'm regretting it, but that's another story).

It looks like the 2016 MBP actually sold quite well in the last quarter, according to http://www.macworld.com/article/3163463/macs/apples-q1-2017-...

Not sure whether that's because of pent-up demand and people resigning to finally buy, or because they're legitimately popular.

Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by ashark »

jwr wrote: post #29

I would like a refresh of the MacBook Pro that would include much-requested features, like one additional row of keys (including the ESC key), ports that you can connect something to (like USB-A) and an SD card slot. I would have no problem with the new laptop being slightly thicker than the current generation, especially if we could get good, reliable keyboards. I'd upgrade my MacBook Pro in an instant, gladly payin…

Yeah, I was expecting to upgrade my personal 2014 when the 2016s were announced, but "slightly faster but worse in every other way, oh and also we raised the price a bunch" was... not a compelling sales pitch.

Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by limeblack »

aviv wrote: post #42

I love my Late 2011 17" matte MacBook Pro. I dread the day that I will have to settle for a new MBP. I will probably end up getting a refurbished 17" off of eBay or something instead.

I almost bought one of those the other day. Well technically I was looking at the matte 15 in MCP. It is a shame how much Apple has gottan rid of. According to past OS updates wouldn't you run into the issue that it wouldn't run the lasted OS?

Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by lanna »

coldtea wrote: post #36
gorodetsky wrote: post #16

It's probably the wrong thread to share my hopes for the next-gen but still. My family owns four 2016 models (maxxed out both 13 inch and 15 inch, a pair used at a day job and a pair is personal) and we all experience similar issues: a) Touch Bar reacting to fingers that are accidentally touch it while resting. Causes a lot of volume and Esc triggers. Latter is particularly annoying at it usually cleans Slack/Skype/o…

> c) I don't get why Apple changed default/native resolution to be non-retina trading extra screen real estate for image quality. You seem confused. The default/native resolution IS Retina. Retina is exactly about trading "extra screen real estate for image quality". There's no "change", that was what Retina was about all along. The other mode doesn't make much sense -- to have larger dpi but tiny screen elements on…

I think he meant that the newest 15" MBP with a 2880x1800 retina display is configured by default to show a scaled 1680x1050 desktop instead of the "native" 1440x900@2x you are thinking about.

Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by coldtea »

lanna wrote: post #47
coldtea wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> c) I don't get why Apple changed default/native resolution to be non-retina trading extra screen real estate for image quality. You seem confused. The default/native resolution IS Retina. Retina is exactly about trading "extra screen real estate for image quality". There's no "change", that was what Retina was about all along. The other mode doesn't make much sense -- to have larger dpi but tiny screen elements on…

I think he meant that the newest 15" MBP with a 2880x1800 retina display is configured by default to show a scaled 1680x1050 desktop instead of the "native" 1440x900@2x you are thinking about.

Thanks, did they? I missed that! The spec pages still say:

15.4-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit display with IPS technology; 2880-by-1800 native resolution at 220 pixels per inch with support for millions of colors

-- and lists a number of supported "scaled" resolutions.

I wonder why they made this move... People asking them for more real estate? Haven't gotten my MBPr yet, is the scaled resolutions workable?

Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by gorodetsky »

lanna wrote: post #47
coldtea wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> c) I don't get why Apple changed default/native resolution to be non-retina trading extra screen real estate for image quality. You seem confused. The default/native resolution IS Retina. Retina is exactly about trading "extra screen real estate for image quality". There's no "change", that was what Retina was about all along. The other mode doesn't make much sense -- to have larger dpi but tiny screen elements on…

I think he meant that the newest 15" MBP with a 2880x1800 retina display is configured by default to show a scaled 1680x1050 desktop instead of the "native" 1440x900@2x you are thinking about.

That's exactly what I meant, apologies for confusion.

Re: Apple Plans MacBook And MacBook Pro Kaby Lake Refresh For WWDC

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Post by gorodetsky »

ajeet_dhaliwal wrote: post #33
gorodetsky wrote: post #16

It's probably the wrong thread to share my hopes for the next-gen but still. My family owns four 2016 models (maxxed out both 13 inch and 15 inch, a pair used at a day job and a pair is personal) and we all experience similar issues: a) Touch Bar reacting to fingers that are accidentally touch it while resting. Causes a lot of volume and Esc triggers. Latter is particularly annoying at it usually cleans Slack/Skype/o…

I have the non touchbar version. The keyboard is the one thing that has surprised me. I've done a complete 180 and love it. I bought this to replace my 2008 Macbook and at first found the travel too shallow but now I can actually type much faster than on the old one and I'm convinced it's better. I hope that any of the issues you mention come up within the 1 year warranty period though. Your issues about the touch ba…

I wasn't unhappy about new keyboard feel but rather quality of keyboard itself. Eventually I'll bring it for repair, I think that should be covered indeed.
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