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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Hopefully, she doesn't disappear, but uses her popularity to stand up and fight for what she believes.

She's been in prison for ~7 years, and I'll bet it was a pretty strict prison. I'm prepared to let her recovery and heal first. She is under no obligation to be under the spotlight from tomorrow.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists. I will, however, say that 7 years of prison can be devastating for anyone but 35 years can totally ruin their life with virtually no chance of recovery. Most people have support systems, but will they still be intact after nearly half the average life span? Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at l…

>I'm not interesting in explaining myself to nationalists. I'm sorry you don't feel you can defend your beliefs. >Regardless of your opinion of what Manning did, the fact that she is no longer in prison means that at least one more person has a chance at life. Isn't that worth celebrating? This can be said about every criminal. Do you wish for all criminals to be released?

> I'm sorry you don't feel you can defend your beliefs.

Was this misrepresentation of the parent comment (disinclination being presented as inability) intentional?

> This can be said about every criminal. Do you wish for all criminals to be released?

There is much grey between the black and white in this world.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Sort of. She's on unpaid active duty with the Army still while her appeals wind through the legal system, and thus subject to the UCMJ. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/05/14/chel...

This is what I was going to remark on and maybe someone can clarify, but I don't believe the Army has any such thing as "unpaid active duty". The military doesn't just make up stuff like that. If you're on active duty, you're getting a check and accrueing time in service. Seems like sloppy reporting. Also considering:

> After the 2013 sentencing, the ex-intelligence agent changed her name to Chelsea Manning and identified as transgender.

Enlisted MI are hardly 'intelligence agents'.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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All right, is wikileaks also doing that for political reasons? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/10/wikileaks-offers-... . And we're supposed to trust that the family actually knows what really happened?

> All right, is wikileaks also doing that for political reasons? Quite possibly. After all, they're against leaks when they're aimed at Trump: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/817322050297745408 > And we're supposed to trust that the family actually knows what really happened? The supposed bombshell yesterday fell apart, as conspiracy theories tend to do.

Oh my god, that tweet.

Assange has no more self-awareness than he did in the 90s, when we were on a mailing list together.

Or than a turnip, for that matter.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Why is this on Hacker news?

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Nice editorialization of the guidelines... Directly below that describes what is off topic:

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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

#156

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This comment is so loaded with strawmen and vitriol I don't think it meets our communities comment guidelines.

It's really not. Some people do feel this way and pointing it out isn't vitriol. The worst thing that can happen to a cause is some crazy jackass being held up by the media as the spokesperson. I was on board for the tea party until the media grabbed a few nut bags and made them the de facto spokespeople for the cause. It was purely about limited government until it got co-opted.

I feel as though I am gathered at the feet of a dispirited grandparent, being told tales of the purity they would have espoused if they hadn't been so rudely interrupted by the persistent existence of the world undermining their certainty.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Here are a few women who disagree with you: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/5dwaqy/peak...

There are 7126 subscribers to the subreddit you linked. A notable feminist subreddit that is actively not transphobic (that I am not going to link to because I love it and I do not want it to be brigaded) has 214400 subscribers. So your sample is about 3% of the internet population if we believe that reddit is a representative sample. I sincerely believe that the vast majority of women are tired of being used as an e…

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Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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It's unlikely Snowden will ever get a pardon. Functional governments have a vested interest in not forgiving blatant disregard for their laws, regardless of the morality of the acts that led to the disregard. It's possible (but probably unlikely) that he could have been pardoned, found innocent, or had a sentence commuted had he turned himself in, but escaping the reach of American justice? There's very little incent…

I agree. And I doubt his fate is going to get any better in the future, unfortunately.

His fate is pretty good as-is, right? I hear Russia is a beautiful country.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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Why are you on Hacker news?

To find intriguing news about software, startups and related topics of geekery.

>software, startups and related topics of geekery.

You have a very narrow definition of Hackers.

Re: Chelsea Manning released from prison

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This comment is so loaded with strawmen and vitriol I don't think it meets our communities comment guidelines.

It's really not. Some people do feel this way and pointing it out isn't vitriol. The worst thing that can happen to a cause is some crazy jackass being held up by the media as the spokesperson. I was on board for the tea party until the media grabbed a few nut bags and made them the de facto spokespeople for the cause. It was purely about limited government until it got co-opted.

I think you're falling prey to the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. All political groups have multiple goals (as they have multiple people in them, it is inevitable). Politics is the coordination of these goals.
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