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The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by michael_h »

rsync wrote: post #138
VLM wrote: post #24

The article seems oriented toward raw consumption, I like to experiment with food canning and I've made many single variety batches of applesauce to experiment with. Pure grannies are a little acidic to me. My kids like red delicious applesauce, for something thats basically sweet with a texture its not bad. Ida Red results in an extremely pale nearly white applesauce which is interesting looking but the taste is bor…

"Also there are USDA approved low/no sugar applesauce recipes but in the store you can only buy corn syrup or artificial sweetener applesauce." I don't understand what you're saying here ... there are many, many national brands of applesauce that consist of just a single ingredient - apples. Santa Cruz is one, as is Cadia, as is the Whole Foods "365" brand ...

Kroger sells unsweetened applesauce under their house brand as well as the national brands.

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Post by dredmorbius »

jdietrich wrote: post #120
dredmorbius wrote: post #72

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Time is a factor of production. We are depleting oil reserves at about 5 million times the rate they formed.[1] Corollary: oil price reflects an off-books depletion factor of roughly 5 million-fold. The price is vastly too low. Our fossil fuel consumption translated to present total biomass production (NPP, or the "photosynthetic ceiling"), is a very substantial fraction of all plant growth, I believe about 40%. We c…

The energy required to ship an apple from New Zealand to California is significantly less than the energy needed to truck it from California to Colorado. Energy policy is strange and counter-intuitive. https://www.c2es.org/technology/factsheet/FreightTransportat...

Interestingly, whilst thequantities of energy in transport have changed since pre-industrial times, the relative ratios haven't, much.

Ocean transport is roughly 20x more fuel efficient per tonne-kilometer as overland trucking.

Rail is the new element, it's essentially dry ships, though aabout half the efficience of marine transit.

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Post by MegaDeKay »

shostack wrote: post #145
MegaDeKay wrote: post #57

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We make apple sauce using our pressure cooker from the tart apples that grow in our area and freeze it instead of canning it. The taste is phenomenal, rendering store-bought inedible.

Looking to expand my Instant Pot repertoire... Mind sharing your recipe?

Core apples and cut into slices. Put in pressure cooker with some water, maybe 1/4 cup. Bring pressure cooker up to pressure and keep at pressure for 1 minute. Turn off stove and allow pressure to come down on its own. Voila!

We do not add any spices or sugar, but do so to taste if you wish.

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Post by placeybordeaux »

torrent-of-ions wrote: post #154

Red Delicious are very sweet without much actual flavour. Granny Smiths are very tart and I can't understand why people actually like them (I have a theory it's because they consider them medicine rather than something to actually enjoy). I do like to use Granny Smith's for cooking, though. They are very flavourful and don't break down, but I add extra sugar, of course. Cox's Orange Pippin is surely the ideal eating…

I like granny smiths for the same reason I like sour candy.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Post by MegaDeKay »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #165
shostack wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking to expand my Instant Pot repertoire... Mind sharing your recipe?

Core apples and cut into slices. Put in pressure cooker with some water, maybe 1/4 cup. Bring pressure cooker up to pressure and keep at pressure for 1 minute. Turn off stove and allow pressure to come down on its own. Voila! We do not add any spices or sugar, but do so to taste if you wish.

And I should have mentioned that after the pressure comes down naturally, carefully open the pressure cooker and puree the apples with a stick blender.

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Post by pixl97 »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #152
cmurf wrote: post #56

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Studies show that sugar and salt increase consumption. So they add these things to increase sales. People aren't making a decision that's in their best interest, this is a biological hack that favors one party disproportionately compared to the other.

Sugar and salt make things taste better. Things that taste better also tend to sell better. If you took all salt and sugar out of food, you'd certainly eat and sell less, because it wouldn't taste good. You can call it biohacking if you want, but it is no more so than when your mom made you dinner.

http://www.popsci.com/high-salt-diets-might-make-you-hungrie...

>The more salt you eat, the thirstier you get. Right? Wrong, according to two studies released today in The Journal of Clinical Investigation. The research found that as salt consumption increased, people actually drank less water. And the high-salt diets seemed to make study subjects hungrier, too.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

rdiddly wrote: post #11
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #9

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Lamenting that a clearly inferior product dominates a market is not "moralizing".

Yeah but to use a word like "lament" or "inferior" you're kind of already moralizing.

I'm judging. That's not the same as moralizing.

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Post by rleigh »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #151
cmurf wrote: post #56

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Studies show that sugar and salt increase consumption. So they add these things to increase sales. People aren't making a decision that's in their best interest, this is a biological hack that favors one party disproportionately compared to the other.

Sugar and salt make things taste better. Things that taste better also tend to sell better. If you took all salt and sugar out of food, you'd certainly eat and sell less, because it wouldn't taste good.

This is quite subjective. Sugar and salt make things "taste better" if you already have a certain expectation that that's how food "should" taste. That's not the case if you don't have that expectation.

I gave up buying products using refined sugar entirely for an extended period, and baked all my own bread, oatcakes, biscuits etc. Food which I previously found unpalatable without adding sugar or syrup, I could now eat and find perfectly tasty. When I cook porridge in the morning, water and a touch of salt are all it needs. I think it recalibrated my taste significantly--if I now try to eat even a biscuit from a supermarket, all I can taste is the excessive amount of salt in it. Likewise anything with refined sugar--it's too much, and it tastes disgusting. I think with industrially-produced food, we've become so used to the excessive amount of salt and sugar, that it has become normal to expect it even when it's unnecessary and things taste bland when they aren't included--even though it's perfectly fine. You're likely right it sells better. But it's like the music "loudness war" but with ingredients; the end result isn't that enjoyable or good for you even though it seems superficially better.

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