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Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Anyone here work at one of Foster's other buildings? (Berlin Reichstag, the Hong Kong airport, and London’s infamous “Gherkin” tower, etc.). How about Steve's Pixar HQ? What's the day to day experience like?

Why describe the Gherkin as infamous? My impression is it is largely admired by Londoners (myself included). It would be interesting to hear from those working inside it.

I was quoting the article. I have no opinion on the building.

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> Everyone should note that Louise Mozingo has criticized the Apple campus... The quote from the article appears to be related to Apple Park's lack of a childcare facility. (I assume they can easily remedy this.) I can't find any of her criticism elsewhere. Mind sharing some links? (edit: Found something from 2011. No mention of the interior space though. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/10/entertainment/la-ca-..…

'For all the time and money sunk into the project, some in the architecture community question whether Apple has focused on the right ends. The campus is something of an exception to the trend of radically open offices aimed at fostering collaboration, said Louise Mozingo, a professor and chair of the Department of Landscape Architecture and Environmental Planning at U.C. Berkeley. Its central office building – a mas…

Thanks for these.

The second article quotes a Reuters article I can't find with Google. Honestly in the Reuters article you provided I can't tell if she's advocating for open offices or merely pointing out that Apple is going against the trend.

She does have strong criticism against the notion that Apple has built itself a kind of island away from the community around it, however. Which is fair, I think.

Thanks again for the links.

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Consider the World Trade Center had about 50,000 people working in it before 9/11. But 12,000 is about on scale with the entire Sears Tower (Willis Tower) in Chicago.

now i am not sure which of these two buildings it's more boring, box or circle?

If you consider scale and the engineering that has to make those happen and exist then they're both exciting.

The Sears tower was at once the tallest building in the world. The design behind it was revolutionary. It's many rectangles! The Apple building is interesting in it's own right - 100% self sufficient and a new concept of what an office can be.

Not everything can or should be "La Sagrada Familia". That doesn't mean that these other constructions aren't impressive and thoughtful.

I recommend the architecture tour if you make your way to Chicago.

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Which also cuts in half the number of customers for the businesses. In urban planning, one has to be careful to solve the correct problem. The problem is not too many cars parked on a residential street. The problem is getting customers to businesses with minimal bad side effects. Any "parking solution" that kills the businesses to fix the parking is not actually a solution.

It won't kill businesses, it will move them. No business has the right to a specific location if it requires it's neighbors properties to.

First of all, public street parking, even in front of houses, is not "property."

Second, if urban planning is done properly, residential streets don't experience parking problems. That's the whole point of this thread.

And if urban planning is not done well, then it doesn't matter where businesses move--they'll still run into problems.

Oh, and if they all leave, then the neighbors will have a nice blighted block with empty buildings next door. Problem solved?

Parking meters do not magically create more parking spots. They create an incentive to use an alternative, but first there needs to be a good alternative.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Which also cuts in half the number of customers for the businesses. In urban planning, one has to be careful to solve the correct problem. The problem is not too many cars parked on a residential street. The problem is getting customers to businesses with minimal bad side effects. Any "parking solution" that kills the businesses to fix the parking is not actually a solution.

> In urban planning, one has to be careful to solve the correct problem. The problem is not too many cars parked on a residential street. The problem is getting customers to businesses with minimal bad side effects. The problem is getting people to different places, without them using too much space within the city. This means as little car usage as possible. The example I mentioned – combined with cheap public trans…

Cheap public transit is an actual solution.

Parking meters are just one way to get people to use it, and not a very good one: by the time people find out there are meters (when trying to park), it's too late to take the transit!

The money it cost to install meters would have been better spent on a marketing campaign to raise awareness of the transit option, or subsidizing the transit prices.

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I'll take an occasional dog bark or lawn mower noise (usually during the day time) instead of traffic noise, sirens, yelling, loud music, wondering if my car will be vandalized, etc. And aren't modified compact cars more of an urban thing? Mostly SUVs and minivans around here.

It wasn't occasional dog barking, it was constant, going on for hours. Add to that one neighbor who had a stupid pit bull that got out a lot, and bit two people. On top of that, at one place I had neighbors across the street who had some stupid friends who drove up every day to pick up someone and honked their horn until that person came out of the house. No, modified compact cars are a suburban thing. It's hard for…

I see all the barking dog-lovers are out in force modding me down.

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It's about right for what you'd pay to get something machined :)

Yeah, just about. It also has some "Craigslist discount". Sadly, there is much too large a gap between hobby and professional revenue to ever do this full time in the bay. Commercial rent and restrictions make it such that even as a sole proprietorship, you'd have trouble breaking even on 50k/year in recurring revenue, which is tough as a one man wood/metal shop with limited tools. Custom/spec work is better, but ver…

Yup.

All of my cabinet shop friends basically have enough volume to keep 2+ spray finishers busy all-day every day, and are busy trying to get their per-sheet times from 5 minutes to less ;)

That's the low volume guys. The high volume guys are just completely automated from material handling to flat line finishing.

Outside of startup costs, complete automation of this stuff isn't usually that expensive (Single proprietors will never compete with the level of automation you can easily get in the bay area.

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I don't work for a big company. Every morning I take my daughter to daycare before going to work. Although not far from where we live (2 km), I still need to drive in the opposite direction. This means an extra ~20 minutes per morning. That's just the trip. Add to it the lack of parking spaces and rapidly decreasing chance of finding one after a certain time point. Not to mention that I need wake up a 3 year old at a…

Why should the company spend millions a year on a perk you can take advantage of that I can't? And let's not assume you can take advantage of it, given there will be a waiting list. Why do people want a return to the "company town" model just to save a few minutes?

It does not have to be free. Just being able to bring my child and, later in the day, take then from where I work (or close by) would be as close to perfect as possible. I would happily pay, even 100%, if the company would facilitate an on-site daycare.

In regard to saving "a few minutes", I don't know how you (or other people) feel about it, but I'd happily spend more time with my child.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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'For all the time and money sunk into the project, some in the architecture community question whether Apple has focused on the right ends. The campus is something of an exception to the trend of radically open offices aimed at fostering collaboration, said Louise Mozingo, a professor and chair of the Department of Landscape Architecture and Environmental Planning at U.C. Berkeley. Its central office building – a mas…

Thanks for these. The second article quotes a Reuters article I can't find with Google. Honestly in the Reuters article you provided I can't tell if she's advocating for open offices or merely pointing out that Apple is going against the trend. She does have strong criticism against the notion that Apple has built itself a kind of island away from the community around it, however. Which is fair, I think. Thanks again…

The lack of strongly advocating is a good point actually - any expert in a field should never strongly advocate for one thing or another when it comes to subjects like these (which depend on things like objectives and the people involved).
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