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Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

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Post by vortico »

eertami wrote: post #32
tschellenbach wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand this will Github an incentive to keep on improving Atom. Maybe someone has finally figured out how to monetize an editor. I hope so, cause the current ecosystem of editors is a mess of half baked solutions.

Why use one of those half baked solutions when vim already exists?

I've never actually seen anyone use vim more efficiently than the average programmer can use Sublime Text or Atom with no skill and a mouse pointer. It's just too much required engagement to do things as simple as move to a specific point on the screen or uncomment/indent a bunch of lines of code. Installing plugins is tedious, tabs/buffers/windows are clunky, and memorizing key commands for plugins (like a file tree view) is required before using it, not gradually learned using context menus as a crutch.

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

vortico wrote: post #81
eertami wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why use one of those half baked solutions when vim already exists?

I've never actually seen anyone use vim more efficiently than the average programmer can use Sublime Text or Atom with no skill and a mouse pointer. It's just too much required engagement to do things as simple as move to a specific point on the screen or uncomment/indent a bunch of lines of code. Installing plugins is tedious, tabs/buffers/windows are clunky, and memorizing key commands for plugins (like a file tree…

You are obviously entitled to your opinion and it might be that you've only seen people who are still learning to use vim, but to give little perspective from someone who has been using for little over two years.

Movement:

Moving around is a hassle at first, most people insist using arrows instead of hjkl, but even thous are slow and tedious. You get much more mileage from using w, e and b for jumping between words, but even thous get slow after a while and recently I've been using the f and t commands to Find and jump To places (characters) I want to. Obviously it requires some time to learn and I am by no means perfect, but I dare to say it is faster than scrolling and pointing with a mouse.

Plugins:

I don't really see how installing plugins is tedious, you just slap one of the managers into your ~/.vim/autoload (I use pathogen) and then rest you just clone to ~/.vim/bundle. Vim doesn't have build in plugin browser and one click install, like Atom does, but at least to me that is not a problem. Maybe it's because I don't use that many plugins, who knows.

Tabs/buffers:

These do take some time to get used to, but I wouldn't say they are any more clunky than your average editors tabs.

Memorizing commands:

At first it seems like insurmountable task since almost every key is a command and as you mentioned most plugins have their own commands, but truth is you don't need most of them to get started and as you use the tool (or at least thats how it was with me) you Google how to do something tedious faster and there is almost always a better method. As for the "file tree view", I don't know what that plugin is, but I can guess and I used something called NERDTree at start, but vim's build in :find command is pretty powerful at just finding what you need and now I use fzf which makes finding files even faster.

Over all I get why you might dislike vim even without trying it (since most vim users constantly push their shitty editor (and dont get me wrong vim is shit, but it's least shit editor I've yet found)), but I suggest you try using it on a side project and see if you like it, don't install any plugins at first just try reading the documentation and making changes to the config as you go along. I bet you'd be surprised how much you'd enjoy it.

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

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Post by ruleabidinguser »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #82
vortico wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never actually seen anyone use vim more efficiently than the average programmer can use Sublime Text or Atom with no skill and a mouse pointer. It's just too much required engagement to do things as simple as move to a specific point on the screen or uncomment/indent a bunch of lines of code. Installing plugins is tedious, tabs/buffers/windows are clunky, and memorizing key commands for plugins (like a file tree…

You are obviously entitled to your opinion and it might be that you've only seen people who are still learning to use vim, but to give little perspective from someone who has been using for little over two years. Movement: Moving around is a hassle at first, most people insist using arrows instead of hjkl, but even thous are slow and tedious. You get much more mileage from using w, e and b for jumping between words,…

I've tried and learned vim and I'm very capable of navigating with it (I don't use marks but I use about everything else) and it is precisely good at one thing: being an editor. If you try to make it an IDE, I believe you're just using a bad IDE. It is only effective for me as a very lightweight editor for quickly making simple edits to a file.

Why don't I like it as an IDE?

* Second hand auto complete

* Second hand project management

* No debugger

These are actually to me huge features and the third party support for each of them exists but doesn't touch the quality of implementation in a dedicated IDE. Not to mention it adds hours of extra work to getting started in an environment you don't already have configured.

And frankly, you don't have to learn vim to recognize this.

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

#84

Post by wapz »

heygrady wrote: post #48
hoschicz wrote: post #9

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I find bundling Git support with Atom is a requirement, VSCode does it.

Git support is different than a Github bundle. Github is different than Git.

But atom is made by github, right? Not to justify their choice but you can see from a company perspective how it surely aligns with their goals (increase github market share).

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

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Post by h1d »

wapz wrote: post #84
heygrady wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Git support is different than a Github bundle. Github is different than Git.

But atom is made by github, right? Not to justify their choice but you can see from a company perspective how it surely aligns with their goals (increase github market share).

I wonder what the market share is and if they're actively seeking it at this point.

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

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Post by herrvogel- »

hobofan wrote: post #57

I just tried it out and the UX is ridiculously broken for me. Whenever I try to focus one of the Git or Github panes, the content of the panes completely vanishes, since I'm unfocusing the file the content was about.

It's the first beta. Just open an issue with your system and configuration details.

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

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Post by skrebbel »

heygrady wrote: post #5

Bundling these features by default is bad for Atom. It changes Atom from an editor to an advertisement. Maybe Github dwarfs the competition but boxing them out of the editor is unnecessary. This smells like bundling IE with Windows 98.

to me it smells more like adding a "deploy to Azure" button to Visual Studio.

(It's had that button since Azure started)

Thing is, nobody is going to download Atom, see that the GitHub support is built in and say 'oh! Now we're going to have to migrate the team to GitHub!'.

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

#88

Post by petre »

skrebbel wrote: post #87
heygrady wrote: post #5

Bundling these features by default is bad for Atom. It changes Atom from an editor to an advertisement. Maybe Github dwarfs the competition but boxing them out of the editor is unnecessary. This smells like bundling IE with Windows 98.

to me it smells more like adding a "deploy to Azure" button to Visual Studio. (It's had that button since Azure started) Thing is, nobody is going to download Atom, see that the GitHub support is built in and say 'oh! Now we're going to have to migrate the team to GitHub!'.

VS Code has a smiley you can use to post feedback to Twitter. It makes the status bar look like a juvenile bulletin board. It's already been reported as an issue and people want it out of the way. That alone made me deinstall it after less than five minutes.

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

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Post by dnsbty »

dflock wrote: post #73
jackdh wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes once the program is already open it's pretty snappy. But I like to keep my desktop clean so I close / open it fairly often and it's startup time if just not on par I've found.

RAM you're not using is a waste of money ;)

That's why I make sure to include memory leaks in every program I write :)

Re: Git and GitHub Integration Comes to Atom

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Post by petre »

vortico wrote: post #81
eertami wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why use one of those half baked solutions when vim already exists?

I've never actually seen anyone use vim more efficiently than the average programmer can use Sublime Text or Atom with no skill and a mouse pointer. It's just too much required engagement to do things as simple as move to a specific point on the screen or uncomment/indent a bunch of lines of code. Installing plugins is tedious, tabs/buffers/windows are clunky, and memorizing key commands for plugins (like a file tree…

None of Vim and Sublime Text has "Github integration" or "deploy to Azure" or "send feedback to Twitter" type of features. They are plain, simple, useful editors which get the job done.
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