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Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by quicklyfrozen »

Arizhel wrote: post #331
quicklyfrozen wrote: post #49

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And rarely being bothered by noise from my neighbors.

What are you talking about? Every time I've lived in a suburb, I've had neighbors with incessantly barking dogs. Suburbs have been some of the noisiest places I've ever been between all the stupid dogs, the constant noise of lawn mowers and leaf blowers, and all the idiots with noisy motorcycles and big trucks and modified compact cars.

I'll take an occasional dog bark or lawn mower noise (usually during the day time) instead of traffic noise, sirens, yelling, loud music, wondering if my car will be vandalized, etc. And aren't modified compact cars more of an urban thing? Mostly SUVs and minivans around here.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

Markoff wrote: post #311
valuearb wrote: post #272

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The point is we don't want companies to do this, so why expect that Apple should?

you don't want companies do what? stop building massive useless parking lots blocking local roads with thousands of cars instead of helping with local public transport, leaving nature untouched and easing the roads? wow, you got me there, sure the other option would be much worse... let's strictly follow dumb rules instead of trying to change them for people benefit

Typically we don't like having companies manipulating municipal policies. This is how we end up in situations where we have one or two ISPs in a market. Or a situation where ATT and Google have to go to court for access to that pole. That was my point. It was not a dis on Apple or a desire for things to not change. We just need to tread carefully when allowing business to dictate municipal policy.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by marze »

jonknee wrote: post #112
djtriptych wrote: post #56

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Remember that they're in one of the sunniest places in the US (at least during the summer) and are supposedly 100% self-contained renewable energy. Energy costs are typically, and by far, the lion's share of the operating costs of a major building like this.

There is a difference between sunny and hot. Cupertino has plenty of sunshine, but is not hot so doesn't require a ton of energy for cooling (the building doesn't even have AC!). If they were able to pull this off in say, Phoenix, it would be a lot more of a cost savings. > Jobs hated air-conditioning and especially loathed fans. (He vigilantly tried to keep them out of his computers.) But he also didn’t want people…

The article mentioned in-floor heating/cooling hydronic loops.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by Denzel »

dexterdog wrote: post #83
Denzel wrote: post #60

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Except it makes more sense to depreciate over the useful life of the building (standard: 50 years) which brings you to a more reasonable ~$8k/year/employee cost of building use.

If Apple is still a thing in 30 years do you think this will still be a cool place to be?

That's the beautiful thing about depreciation, it doesn't really matter. Depreciation is just a way to see how costs are being allocated over time, more realistically. It allows you to predict how much you have left to recoup on capex projects.

The real question (if you believe Apple will close down) is do you believe anyone will be interested in occupying the office space? Remember, the office could house more than one tenet. Or maybe they choose to offload the property in a sale.

It's the same principle I use when negotiating gym rental contracts: Schools aren't using their gyms all the time. They have downtime, i.e., they're undersubscribed, so they offer hours for rent at marginal cost.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by snowwrestler »

kuschku wrote: post #335
linkregister wrote: post #280

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1000 people need parking. There are 500 spaces. Paid parking doesn't solve the problem in this instance . The overall effect of paid parking isn't at issue.

Yes it does. Make it so expensive that overall only 500 people (including those who live there) can afford to park there. Problem solved. And that’s how my city got $1/min parking spots.

Which also cuts in half the number of customers for the businesses.

In urban planning, one has to be careful to solve the correct problem. The problem is not too many cars parked on a residential street. The problem is getting customers to businesses with minimal bad side effects.

Any "parking solution" that kills the businesses to fix the parking is not actually a solution.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by Arizhel »

quicklyfrozen wrote: post #341
Arizhel wrote: post #331

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What are you talking about? Every time I've lived in a suburb, I've had neighbors with incessantly barking dogs. Suburbs have been some of the noisiest places I've ever been between all the stupid dogs, the constant noise of lawn mowers and leaf blowers, and all the idiots with noisy motorcycles and big trucks and modified compact cars.

I'll take an occasional dog bark or lawn mower noise (usually during the day time) instead of traffic noise, sirens, yelling, loud music, wondering if my car will be vandalized, etc. And aren't modified compact cars more of an urban thing? Mostly SUVs and minivans around here.

It wasn't occasional dog barking, it was constant, going on for hours.

Add to that one neighbor who had a stupid pit bull that got out a lot, and bit two people.

On top of that, at one place I had neighbors across the street who had some stupid friends who drove up every day to pick up someone and honked their horn until that person came out of the house.

No, modified compact cars are a suburban thing. It's hard for a young person to modify their car when they don't have a garage. You can't modify your car with some POS muffler in a high-rise.

My girlfriend lives in a high-rise in a city. While there are occasional sirens and the regular sound of the subway train, there's no real traffic noise (not close enough to the freeway for that, this is pretty low-traffic residential), and certainly no yelling or loud music, and with the parking being in a parking garage with keycard access there's no worry about car vandalism either. I don't see any shitty modified compact cars there either. Overall, she seems to have less annoying noise than I had to deal with in my suburban homes that I used to live in. I'll take train noise over barking dogs any time. I don't know what the problem is with so many Americans that they just love the sound of dogs barking their heads off for hours and hours. But I only have seen this in suburbs and rural areas, never cities.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by redial »

jdavis703 wrote: post #296
pchristensen wrote: post #249

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So the customers of the popular bowling alley don't park in the parking lot of the neighboring businesses. It's forcing every business to play nice with their neighbors, rather than free-ride off of them. Most mall parking lots are sized for the demand of the busiest day of the Christmas shopping season, and are consequently underused for most of the year.

Well then the next door business can either charge for parking and offer free parking validation after you buy something, or just have a tow truck waiting to tow people who park and don't enter the premises.

Not everyone wants to be in the parking-lot business.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by tajen »

jpalomaki wrote: post #257
linkregister wrote: post #198

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When you become dictator, maybe that will be viable. In the meantime, what sane city council member is going to tell residents they need to pay for parking in front of their own townhouses?

Give residents special permits which allow the to park for free. That's how it works here (Helsinki, Finland). Permit is not free, but cheap. It is for specific vehicle and the registered owner needs to live there. There permits are not per street, but the city is divided to several areas.

Resident parking, €20pm in Lyon, France, knowing that the public transport is excellent. I wish they would ban cars entirely in the 500,000ppl area, but you need a car from time to time, when you're pregnant, old, have a sprained ankle or back, need to carry an iMac around or to just get out for a hike in the countryside. Still, one-day pollution permits would be better than taxing only parking.
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