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The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#81
post #71

Are braeburn apples available in the US? I agree that red delicious are terrible eating apples but most of the newer varieties seem to be a bit on the sweet side for my liking. Braeburn has the perfect balance of tart and sweet while being consistently crisp.

A fresh red delicious apple is an extraordinary eating apple. As a kid, they were my favorite. But I was eating them from an orchard down the road. They're great for a week or so off the tree.

What they are not is a good storage apple, which is why their status as our primary commodity apple is strange.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#82
post #71

Are braeburn apples available in the US? I agree that red delicious are terrible eating apples but most of the newer varieties seem to be a bit on the sweet side for my liking. Braeburn has the perfect balance of tart and sweet while being consistently crisp.

Yes, the apples of the damned are available here.

(I think of them as consistently and impressively mealy)

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#83
post #71

Are braeburn apples available in the US? I agree that red delicious are terrible eating apples but most of the newer varieties seem to be a bit on the sweet side for my liking. Braeburn has the perfect balance of tart and sweet while being consistently crisp.

They are. My second favorite apple after McIntosh. Neither's super common, at least in the Midwest, and unlike most US produce in grocery stores they seem to come and go (seasonally? But apples store/ship relatively well, so I dunno) even at the places that carry them.

Fuji, gala, and red delicious seem to be the most common. Honeycrisp and pink lady are often available.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#84
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. How is morality relevant at all here?

Not the parent but I'll take a stab at this anyway. None of this is actually about moralizing, but very much about signaling that one is part of the cohort of "discerning" consumers (who wouldn't be caught dead , darling, eating a Red Delicious), and not among those great unwashed backwoods jerkwater hordes who eat them because they don't know any better. Hence the religion-like simplicity of the message "red delicio…

I've avoided Red Delicious for years. Nobody told me to, I just realized they sucked. I didn't know this was a common opinion until reading these comments. (And given their prevalence in grocery store produce departments, I'm still not convinced.)

This nonsense where every expression of opinion or preference is labeled as "signaling" has got to stop.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#85
post #13

I happen to like Red Delicious since they produce a satisfying crunch without being tart (like green apples) or mushy (like gala). I'm surprised this article is using a personal preference to criticize an entire variety and industry.

You need to try a Cortland. If only we could get them here on the West Coast...

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#86
post #34

We had a bunch of apple trees when I was a kid, including a red delicious tree that was probably planted in the 1920s. Its apples were my favorite, especially when they became crisp and sweet after a light frost. Perhaps store bought red delicious suck but I think this hate is just misplaced elitism from people who've never had one off the tree.

How is it elitism to say that the 99% of the variety that people actually eat suck? I would think the elitism is insisting that the only way to truly judge them is straight off the tree (after a spell of opportunistic weather).

I guess that's exactly why I thought it was a bit snobby ... internet folks trashing the preferences of 99 percent of the population.

Having a tree is pretty hard where I live now but pretty normal back in the Midwest.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#87
post #46

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Privilege comes in many different forms. 90% of the population doesn't have that kind of access.

Yeah, it was a real privilege for a kid and his single mom to be living well below the poverty line in a three-room shack that any half-awake inspector would've immediately condemned - not least for the black mold that ate up one whole wall of the third room so we had to seal it off with plastic - because it happened to sit on a hill next to a tiny patch of half-gone-to-seed apple trees that produced maybe as much as…

Substitute "tenement apartment" for "shack" and "slumlord" for "former truck farmer", then subtract "living near formerly productive fruit trees". You now have a story that describes many times more people than your original.

The politics of privilege basically says that unless you have had the worst life that it is possible to have, you have to yield to anyone that had anything worse off than you. Since the word "elitism" is what brought all that into the conversation, perhaps it was a poor choice.

While at previous times in history, it might have been a mark of elite privilege to not have to pick your own fresh produce, that is no longer the case. Now, having fruit trees and a garden in your backyard means you are lucky enough to have direct control over a portion of your food supply, and can therefore choose to grow food with flavor and nutrition, rather than superior shelf life, visual appeal, and transportability--which are the characteristics that the grocery store will choose for you.

The apples that grew in my (rented) backyard as a kid were sour, with a woody texture, and were usually covered in wasps or ants. But they certainly did taste better than store-bought Red Delicious. The ants added a lemony flavor. I never thought to try the wasps.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#88
post #69

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The fact that your life sucked in many other ways is irrelevant. Having fresh fruit growing on plants near your house which you can eat is a privilege that most people do not have. I'm not saying, "your life was privileged, and you suck." I'm saying, "your situation of having fresh-off-the-tree apples was an unusual privilege." Am I wrong, or do you just object to the one word, and want me to know a bunch of other th…

To reiterate from my prior comment, I understand exactly what you're saying. The problem I have is that you're not listening to what I'm saying - which, again, is that it doesn't matter what you're saying, because when you use this rhetoric to express it, you piss people off even if in spite of yourself, and the rhetoric is therefore actively inimical to the purpose in whose service you employ it. It's not that compl…

I understand your point. I don't agree with it. I don't think the meaning of the word "privilege" has become so narrowly defined that it automatically provokes outrage like this.

If, in fact, "privilege" does in fact trigger this massive anger you say it does, then I totally agree that its use is counterproductive. I just don't see it.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

#90
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it was a real privilege for a kid and his single mom to be living well below the poverty line in a three-room shack that any half-awake inspector would've immediately condemned - not least for the black mold that ate up one whole wall of the third room so we had to seal it off with plastic - because it happened to sit on a hill next to a tiny patch of half-gone-to-seed apple trees that produced maybe as much as…

The fact that your life sucked in many other ways is irrelevant. Having fresh fruit growing on plants near your house which you can eat is a privilege that most people do not have. I'm not saying, "your life was privileged, and you suck." I'm saying, "your situation of having fresh-off-the-tree apples was an unusual privilege." Am I wrong, or do you just object to the one word, and want me to know a bunch of other th…

Crying "privilege!" anytime someone has something you don't doesn't add a whole lot to the discussion.
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