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The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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We had a bunch of apple trees when I was a kid, including a red delicious tree that was probably planted in the 1920s. Its apples were my favorite, especially when they became crisp and sweet after a light frost. Perhaps store bought red delicious suck but I think this hate is just misplaced elitism from people who've never had one off the tree.

They might be a mouthful of orgasms when eaten right off the tree. The ones in the supermarket are still made of open-cell foam and disappointment.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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post #34

We had a bunch of apple trees when I was a kid, including a red delicious tree that was probably planted in the 1920s. Its apples were my favorite, especially when they became crisp and sweet after a light frost. Perhaps store bought red delicious suck but I think this hate is just misplaced elitism from people who've never had one off the tree.

Having a tree to have fresh apples is a bit more elite than most of us that have to buy them from the store...

Shouldn't think so, at least not of necessity. I lived next to a small apple orchard for a while as a kid, and in a tumbledown hovel with chipboard walls at that; the trees belonged to the same farmer who rented us the place, who certainly wasn't any more a member of any elite anywhere than we ourselves were.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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post #34

We had a bunch of apple trees when I was a kid, including a red delicious tree that was probably planted in the 1920s. Its apples were my favorite, especially when they became crisp and sweet after a light frost. Perhaps store bought red delicious suck but I think this hate is just misplaced elitism from people who've never had one off the tree.

How is it elitism to say that the 99% of the variety that people actually eat suck?

I would think the elitism is insisting that the only way to truly judge them is straight off the tree (after a spell of opportunistic weather).

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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post #34

We had a bunch of apple trees when I was a kid, including a red delicious tree that was probably planted in the 1920s. Its apples were my favorite, especially when they became crisp and sweet after a light frost. Perhaps store bought red delicious suck but I think this hate is just misplaced elitism from people who've never had one off the tree.

It's not elitism - the problem is virtually nobody has access to the quality of apples you did. Generally speaking, we are limited to what is at the store, and they taste like shit.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, though, a large percentage of Pink Ladies offered in stores around here (Germany) come from New Zealand... and that even though apples are among the fruit that grow well in Germany. I like Pink Ladies, especially for the texture, but I prefer to buy fruit that does not have to be shipped half way around the globe.

Why? If they're shipping Pink Ladies from New Zealand, and there's an efficient market, can't we imply that it's a better allocation of resources to get Pink Ladies from New Zealand? I mean, they're probably cheaper _even though_ they're getting shipped halfway across the world. What the market is saying is that: the highly skilled population of Germany is probably better off doing more advanced things than growing a…

I think that the reasoning against shipping apples across the globe is that consumers do not pay the full price; one might argue that the transportation is subsidised by our extraction and burning of oil at a rate much quicker than it is formed

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a tree to have fresh apples is a bit more elite than most of us that have to buy them from the store...

Shouldn't think so, at least not of necessity. I lived next to a small apple orchard for a while as a kid, and in a tumbledown hovel with chipboard walls at that; the trees belonged to the same farmer who rented us the place, who certainly wasn't any more a member of any elite anywhere than we ourselves were.

Privilege comes in many different forms. 90% of the population doesn't have that kind of access.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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The most interesting part of this article is the last bit about China. It reminded me of an earlier article I saw on HN concerning the Asian market for wild ginkgo harvested in Appalachia.

It's becoming clear Chinese and American consumer behavior concerning food are vastly different from one another, and globalization has not eliminated all of those differences. Food is still one of America's biggest exports, so there may be a lot of undiscovered opportunities here for smart entrepreneurs in the food manufacturing industry to take advantage of these differences.

Politicians can create and trade restrictions and tax breaks, but they can't wave a magic wand and move consumer markets around more to their liking. The presence or absence of a market is what decides the viability of a business. Either the market's there or it's not.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Generally, you can rank apples based on fiber, sugar, and antioxidants. http://www.leonoredvorkin.com/henu/benapples.php

Granny smith have more fiber: https://olumialife.com/knowledge/are-granny-smith-apples-the... Red delicious (particularly the dark red) have more antioxidants, although Granny smith is also high: http://www.healthextremist.com/comparing-apples-apples-antio.... Most of the antioxidants are in the skin, hence peeling / juicing tends to reduce them. But of course the antioxidants are also the bitter taste. Golden Delicious and a lot of others are high in sugar and not much else, closer to candy in terms of food group: https://furthermore.equinox.com/articles/2013/10/apples

Overall I just buy the cheap apples; the differences aren't significant except to a connoisseur (easily adjusted for with supplements), and I prefer to spend my money on startups.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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post #34

We had a bunch of apple trees when I was a kid, including a red delicious tree that was probably planted in the 1920s. Its apples were my favorite, especially when they became crisp and sweet after a light frost. Perhaps store bought red delicious suck but I think this hate is just misplaced elitism from people who've never had one off the tree.

> Perhaps store bought red delicious suck but I think this hate is just misplaced elitism from people who've never had one off the tree.

I've had Red Delicious both directly off the tree and reasonably fresh from the farm, and they are, in either of those cases, generally far better than from the supermarket, true.

Even so, they aren't now as good as I remember them—even from the supermarket—from 30-35 years ago (they seem to be on average a lot more mealy now), and, even back then they were a middling variety for eating without preparation, and not particularly outstanding for any preparation I can think of.

Re: The Awful Reign of the Red Delicious (2014)

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Generally, you can rank apples based on fiber, sugar, and antioxidants. http://www.leonoredvorkin.com/henu/benapples.php Granny smith have more fiber: https://olumialife.com/knowledge/are-granny-smith-apples-the... Red delicious (particularly the dark red) have more antioxidants, although Granny smith is also high: http://www.healthextremist.com/comparing-apples-apples-antio... . Most of the antioxidants are in the s…

Why would you rank them on anything other than taste and texture?
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