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An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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Have I been on different airlines than these people who fight? In my experience airline seat backs pivot at a point somewhere around knee height, so reclining a seat doesn't affect legroom at all. When the person in front of me reclines it tilts my laptop monitor a little but that's it.

It has to me--I have long femurs and the tight seats are already bad enough. When someone reclines, I am that much worse off. I usually sit in a "V" as much as possible or get an aisle seat so that one leg can stretch into the aisle sometimes.

Honestly, I'm pretty much done with flying until such time as airlines come to grips with their management problems.

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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Agreed. Except for the VERY long-legged, a reclined seat-back in front doesn't remove leg space. It pivots at/above knee level and simply pivots marginally closer to me. I have never had a reclined seat obstruct my view of the entertainment screen or make me tray unusable. On the other side, I don't recline the seat to create more space for myself. I recline it to alleviate discomfort from the absurdly upright defaul…

What? The seat pivots below knee level by definition, unless you've found a plane where the base of the seat slopes down from the back to the front. (Since the seat is level or slopes slightly upward from back to front then the pivot point is at the back of the base of the seat. Since the legs are sitting on - i.e. above - the seat, then the knees have to be above the pivot point and reclining does indeed remove leg…

I'm under 5'7", I'll trade you your genetic shortcomings with mine, especially with the ladies;)

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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What is this blasphemy of treating humans like humans. It is crazy how many overly dramatic articles and situations could probably be resolved by simply civil dialog and discussion.

Because about half the time the response is extremely uncivil, so people are afraid to try the civil approach. So people do just as you say: treat humans like humans. Since humans are largely evil, that results in the behavior we see.

It's not that humans are largely evil but about asking people to be less comfortable based on your own preference. Don't recline. Move to a non-preferred seat so I can sit next to my girlfriend. Etc. In some cases this may be reasonable but they're the sort of negotiation I prefer not to get into on a Plane where you're implicitly the bad guy if you say no.

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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For anyone who dislikes recliners - in what manner does it inconvenience you? For me, it's not useful space that is taken up, except perhaps transiently as I squeeze past my neighbours to get to the aisle. My knees are below the point that reclines. Are laptops the problem?

Depending on the airplane/seat, it actually makes my legs have a tighter fit. I'm 6'2". Whenever I fly for work I usually pay the extra money for a better seat personally. I typically don't recline my seat on a plane, because in most cases it makes my ride less comfortable to be behind someone who reclines.

That's just the thing "pay the extra money"--okay, fine, but we are doing this all time just to get back to where we were a few years ago minus the "pay the extra money" part of the equation. It's not just airlines that are screwing us, but grocery chains come quickly to mind, and basically any place where the runaway inflation is being passed on to us all the while everyone thinks this is "normal" and "fine" and all the while I think I'm going crazy because I'm the only one who noticed that 14.2oz. is the new 16oz. and ice cream that used to be sold by the half gallon is now 1.5qt. and NOBODY raises a stink about this?

It is NOT OKAY.

It is the kind of thing previous generations would start fights over when a merchant was so blatantly screwing them over.

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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Can't use laptops, can't eat on the tray because there isn't enough space left, and can't watch the monitor on the back of the seat because it's facing down. So it's pretty inconvenient.

I've done all three of those things on a reclined seat. Why weren't you able to?

Different seats? I travel frequently and there are differences across airlines and also laptop sizes.

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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post #37

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Because about half the time the response is extremely uncivil, so people are afraid to try the civil approach. So people do just as you say: treat humans like humans. Since humans are largely evil, that results in the behavior we see.

It's not that humans are largely evil but about asking people to be less comfortable based on your own preference. Don't recline. Move to a non-preferred seat so I can sit next to my girlfriend. Etc. In some cases this may be reasonable but they're the sort of negotiation I prefer not to get into on a Plane where you're implicitly the bad guy if you say no.

it's not about my preference if you hit me with your reclined seat

it's like saying I am making smoker less comfortable based on my own preference that I wanna breathe clean air, he is disrupting clean enviroment, you are disrupting good relations by reclining, I have no problem to not recline for person behind me, because once you do it everyone behind you have to do it to gain a little space the first person who started these selfishly took

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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I have only had an issue with a reclining seat once before. It was a transatlantic flight on a horribly old 767 and the gentlemen in front of me reclined (at speed) and then turned around and ordered me to get my knees out of his back as though I could miraculously make myself a few inches shorter. My row mates and I had a good laugh about it and I resolved to only fly premium economy for flights of any meaningful length in the future.

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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Flying in a reclined seat is pure torture to me.

What if we grouped the plane into two sections: those who want to recline, and those who do not? If you're a recliner behind a recliner, happy. If you're a non-recliner behind a non-recliner, happy. Split on the exit row, or hopefully at least one row of people who don't care.

Not everyone flies alone and not everyone who flies together has the same preferences for reclining their seat.

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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Flying without reclining my seat is pure torture to me. I find the default vertical position of the seats deeply uncomfortable. What if all seats had a slightly reclined angle already?

I don't understand how you can discern any difference between the upright position and the 1-2" recline position. I think you may be kidding yourself.

If you can't notice the difference between a reclined and non-reclined seat you should probably get that checked out.

Re: An investigation into the economics of airplane seat reclining

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that humans are largely evil but about asking people to be less comfortable based on your own preference. Don't recline. Move to a non-preferred seat so I can sit next to my girlfriend. Etc. In some cases this may be reasonable but they're the sort of negotiation I prefer not to get into on a Plane where you're implicitly the bad guy if you say no.

it's not about my preference if you hit me with your reclined seat it's like saying I am making smoker less comfortable based on my own preference that I wanna breathe clean air, he is disrupting clean enviroment, you are disrupting good relations by reclining, I have no problem to not recline for person behind me, because once you do it everyone behind you have to do it to gain a little space the first person who st…

It's not like that at all in this case the person in front of you has paid for that space you are occupying. It was never your space to begin with.
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