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Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

MertsA wrote: post #463
supernovae wrote: post #374

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This is now fixed.. But inversely, i'm annoyed that this "upgrade phenomena" seems squarely targeted at Microsoft when people who run Linux or OSX upgrade the second new shiny comes out. I'm not ranting here other than expressing a curiosity of culture that leads to cultural problems lingering much longer than they should. Windows 10 is awesome.. the experiment with "ads" sucks but its all tweakable.. just jump to Rs…

>if there is something you do/don't like. MS listens. Users have been very very vocal about dozens of things that Microsoft refuses to stop. What about all of the forced upgrades to Windows 10 without consent? For the longest time Microsoft just denied that they were even doing it. Then they just tried to justify it with marketing B.S. about how "Windows 10 is great, so no one should be complaining." Then there's the…

>> Can you name a time when Apple or a prominent Linux distro has pulled any of this crap?

Yes, unfortunately. Ubuntu served Amazon ads in the dash search. No idea if they're still there (I use Fedora) but it's not like they had to ask anyone what they thought of it to be well aware that the majority of their users would think that sucks.

Apple? Well now- that's the company that continuously tries to force its users to run only the apps it choses, isn't it? Apple sucks as much as MS in the way it treats its users.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by ryanoshea »

kuschku wrote: post #260
emodendroket wrote: post #241

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Yeah, who can forget that Microsoft update that locked all your files unless you paid a ransom in Bitcoin.

Well, there were Microsoft updates that did make all your files inaccessible. Try doing the Windows 10 anniversary upgrade if you run bitlocker and have customized your UEFI. Windows will screw up, bluescreen, and destroy the bitlocker keys. I’ve fought with that before.

Out of curiosity, what customizations did you make to your UEFI setup? I run BitLocker and did the Anniversary and Creators updates without issue.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

panzagl wrote: post #461
digi_owl wrote: post #411

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Then why oh why do i keep seeing FOSS projects with limited to no commercial interest keep doing rewrites with the latest "shiny" in mind?!

Because writing software is a fun hobby, maintaining it is work.

That's just a misunderstanding. There is a lot of fun to be had in maintaining others' code and there's nothing like finding a stupid bug (and fixing it) to boost your self-esteem as a programmer.

But maintaining code (especially shitty code) gets you much fewer rewards and recognition than writing new code from scratch (including shitty code) -so that may be a better explanation of why most people don't like being "maintainers".

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

wvenable wrote: post #328
rhodysurf wrote: post #95

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This still isnt always useful. I work in an office that creates and runs CFD software. It often takes days, or weeks to run and the recent windows "feature" of rebooting when it wants to update with no way to shut it off has killed so many peoples work in progress. Its insane there is no ability to only update manually.

The pro version lets you update manually; it's a setting and doesn't require you turn off services (I know because that's what I do).

Which is actually why MS sucks so much: they make you pay for the privilege of choosing when your computer will restart itself.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by MertsA »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #471
MertsA wrote: post #463

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>if there is something you do/don't like. MS listens. Users have been very very vocal about dozens of things that Microsoft refuses to stop. What about all of the forced upgrades to Windows 10 without consent? For the longest time Microsoft just denied that they were even doing it. Then they just tried to justify it with marketing B.S. about how "Windows 10 is great, so no one should be complaining." Then there's the…

>> Can you name a time when Apple or a prominent Linux distro has pulled any of this crap? Yes, unfortunately. Ubuntu served Amazon ads in the dash search. No idea if they're still there (I use Fedora) but it's not like they had to ask anyone what they thought of it to be well aware that the majority of their users would think that sucks. Apple? Well now- that's the company that continuously tries to force its users…

Fair point, but at least when Canonical was doing it it was just searching Amazon for something relevant to your query. All of the outrage was that doing this meant that Amazon would get searches for stuff like local file names that presented an information leak. Canonical also proxied these searches so Amazon didn't actually get enough information to tie a search back to a particular user.

As for Apple though, I disagree with a lot of their design decisions but Apple hasn't introduced Spyware, Adware, and Malware into any of their products. Their walled garden philosophy is crappy but they aren't doing what Microsoft has been doing.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

Mithaldu wrote: post #453
TremendousJudge wrote: post #280

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I think you can't after the anniversary update

Pro 10 user here. Windows started wanting to update last week, but isn't because my group policy is set to notify for download and auto install, so all i had for the duration of the conference i was at was a notification. It works fine.

It works in Pro, but not in Home and I think not in Enterprise either.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by jessaustin »

supernovae wrote: post #422
jessaustin wrote: post #419

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...soon you will have just one device that does everything. That's already true, for people who only have a phone. In the long term, it's completely wrong. Today's "super"-devices will explode into a constantly-changing constellation, as soon as personal networking is ironed out. Future generations will laugh at caricatures of people today, who constantly tend to and obsess on one hunk of plastic to the exclusion of…

as the IoT and "constellation" "explodes" we can only HOPE that includes auto-update.

Sure, but part of the process of "ironing out" local networks will be an easy way of categorizing what host gets what sort of connection to the internet. A pedometer built into a shoe needs very little access to anything.

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by linza »

supernovae wrote: post #445
valuearb wrote: post #438

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LOL at comparing MSFT to Apple or Google in this regard. Googles whole business model is ad supported, in return you get good free software. Apple actually fights to protect your privacy, when you pay them money for hardware they just try to make it work well for you, not advertiser. And their updates/reboots are optional. MSFT takes your money, then doesnt protect your privacy AND sells you out to advertisers.

I don't buy this argument. Its fully of fallacies and misconceptions. Microsoft offers a very similar ecosystem.. You can use office online, One drive, bing.com, skype, Cortana, Outlook.com and many services free for use with advertising (or no advertising) MS doesn't "take your money" either, you buy something with Windows 10 on it or you buy a mac with OSX.. iOS updates aren't usually optional, as they quickly spam…

I assume "office online" means Office 365? If yes, how can I use it for free? Last time I checked there was only a free trial [1].

Microsoft does take my money--just because the cost for the OS is hidden in the hardware doesn't mean some fraction of that money isn't going to Microsoft, i.e. in the end I have to pay to use Windows. Windows 10 was not free either as advertised, since it required an older version to upgrade from.

Compared to Google's and Apple's offerings, Microsoft's do kinda look shitty.

[1] https://products.office.com/en-us/compare-all-microsoft-offi...

Re: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update

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Post by JorgeGT »

kstenerud wrote: post #230
JorgeGT wrote: post #165

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If your CFD software isn't saving at least the last converged timestep in order to restart the calculation if there's an unplanned interrupt maybe you should implement such a feature! It's been a lifesaver for me many times.

That's right. Blame the victim.

I'm not blaming the victim, I'm offering helpful input as they are developing a CFD product. As someone who sometimes is asked to review purchases/license extensions of CFD codes, the ability to restart a suddenly interrupted calculation with minimum data loss is a must.
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