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Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by random123456 » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:05 PM UTC

> Q: What will happen with my existing models?

> A: You must recreate your existing Prediction API models using Cloud Machine Learning Engine. To learn more, please read our documentation about creating models on Cloud Machine Learning Engine.

Slightly edited and corrected answer should be

> A: You must recreate your existing Prediction API models using Cloud Machine Learning Engine. But, you know what? You must recreate it using Amazon Machine Learning, because we might again shut down this service in favor of our next platform. So If you care about your product, move directly to Amazon Machine Learning so next time you will not be bothered by us. And thanks for using it

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by powera » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:06 PM UTC

aibottle wrote: post #11

velodrome wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the FAQ: Q: Why is Google Cloud Platform no longer supporting Cloud Prediction API? A: As we've expanded our Cloud Machine Learning services, many of the use-cases supported by Cloud Prediction API can be better served by Cloud Machine Learning Engine.

Doesn't matter. To general masses it just looks (and well you will have to change code) like they shut down another thing after short time people relied on. Bad move Google. Just stop offering it and keep in running in quiet for people who have it next time.

The general masses neither know nor care about this API. "Business" folks will see they have a year to transition to an improved version of the product.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by themihai » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:08 PM UTC

vgt wrote: post #5

Before folks start comparing this to Reader or point to the general "Google shuts things down" narrative, Prediction API has been superset by the array of ML APIs and Google Cloud ML, found at [0]. [0] https://cloud.google.com/products/machine-learning/ (work at G)

yeah, and we should all be happy when we are forced to migrate to new APIs...like the old APIs got rust. This's one of the reasons why proprietary "cloud" services are so bad. Once they are gone you have little or no choice. Nobody would complain much if Google would shut down its MySQL "cloud" service. Amazon is just there and if Amazon doesn't fit the bill you can use a old good metal server. Not the same you can say about Google Cloud Datastore, Appengine or this ML API

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by omarforgotpwd » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:10 PM UTC

"Let's build our entire stack around Google Cloud. I'm sure they won't shut down an API we depend on"

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by epalmer » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:15 PM UTC

jamroom wrote: post #19

soccerdave wrote: post #4

One thing that I find so amazing about AWS (Amazon Web Services) is that I'm not aware of them ever EOLing one of their apis (I could be wrong). We still have a bunch of code that still uses SimpleDB and even though they haven't promoted SDB for a while, they haven't EOLed it.

I was a big fan of SimpleDB - I feel like if they would have just given it some love (i.e. feature updates and moving it to all SSD) it would have been a really friendly, scaleable "almost SQL" database. I found it way more flexible than DynamoDB for most data models - maybe I am the only one but I think they missed the boat with SimpleDB, and now it's just been relegated to the forgotten side of AWS.

I agree. I have a little service using SimpleDb and it just works. If the End of Life it then the service will come down. I already have my business partner's agreement on that.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by yeukhon » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:16 PM UTC

decwakeboarder wrote: post #17

yeukhon wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More impressively they also maintain older instance types such as m1 they rarely pull them off the shelf completely.

ec2 is ~easy though, they're just smaller VMs on newer hosts. I'm amazed that things like SimpleDB are still around and supported even though only a handful of engineers in my ~200 person org have heard of it.

I believe they aren't allowed to change the hardware spec, so at some point they will not be able to get supplies anymore. As far as SimpleDB, yeah, believe it or not, on AWS bill, it still exist and most support engineers from Amazon don't really have a clue why it's there. I still don't know which service we use is using SimpleDB. Only a few cents, so nobody really care.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by edko » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:17 PM UTC

powera wrote: post #22

aibottle wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter. To general masses it just looks (and well you will have to change code) like they shut down another thing after short time people relied on. Bad move Google. Just stop offering it and keep in running in quiet for people who have it next time.

The general masses neither know nor care about this API. "Business" folks will see they have a year to transition to an improved version of the product.

... and that they will need to allocate a budget to this migration project, and make sure it is delivered successfully. If they do not understand the benefits, "business" folks will just see it as an annoyance.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by decwakeboarder » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:17 PM UTC

yeukhon wrote: post #26

decwakeboarder wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ec2 is ~easy though, they're just smaller VMs on newer hosts. I'm amazed that things like SimpleDB are still around and supported even though only a handful of engineers in my ~200 person org have heard of it.

I believe they aren't allowed to change the hardware spec, so at some point they will not be able to get supplies anymore. As far as SimpleDB, yeah, believe it or not, on AWS bill, it still exist and most support engineers from Amazon don't really have a clue why it's there. I still don't know which service we use is using SimpleDB. Only a few cents, so nobody really care.

Is that true? They'd still need to adhere to HVM vs. PVM, but that should be it.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by cwyers » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:20 PM UTC

powera wrote: post #22

aibottle wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't matter. To general masses it just looks (and well you will have to change code) like they shut down another thing after short time people relied on. Bad move Google. Just stop offering it and keep in running in quiet for people who have it next time.

The general masses neither know nor care about this API. "Business" folks will see they have a year to transition to an improved version of the product.

Man, there are some enterprises still running mission-critical stuff on Windows XP. The idea that a year to transition something is a long time window for enterprises is absurd.

Re: Google Cloud Prediction API End of Life

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Post by theDoug » Mon, May 15, 2017, 6:20 PM UTC

omarforgotpwd wrote: post #24

"Let's build our entire stack around Google Cloud. I'm sure they won't shut down an API we depend on"

This one-year-long deprecation warning comes atop what is a fairly reasonable migration path for most users. I have yet to hear of a single user of any size whose “entire stack” relied on a single API, let alone this one, and who would be left without a faster, easier, or less expensive option in this move.

But you might have info I do not!

(Work at Google Cloud)