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Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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The heart of this piece is the author's realization that (relative to their cover price) glossy, expensive cookbooks don't actually cost that much to print: "Until one-day I got lucky. Just by chance I spoke to the print broker who actually worked on the exact bid for that famous book. And he told me precisely: that super amazing cookbook that I truly loved, which at the time retailed for $50 and had won every award…

>cost $3.83 per book to print, shrink wrap, and ship to the US.

This is because they have access to a traditional printer and are able to order the volume needed for that price. A print on demand book from amazon that is 200 pages, full color will cost ~$15/book. But, that price is fixed whether you buy 1 or 5000 copies. Add in amazon's cut and you're looking to make 30% for each sale on amazon.com. If they handle distribution to bookstores you're looking at a 10% cut.

This is the option available to most self publishers and the margins are not that much better than going with a traditional publisher. Especially, because the author needs to front all of the costs for editing, design, etc.

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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I'm actually surprised that printed cookbooks are still economically viable using any kind of publishing model. They remind me of those books from the 1980s filled with printed copies of the source code for computer programs. You would input the text from the book using your keyboard, and compile/interpret the program. That was how many programs were distributed, because a printed book on a truck had higher bandwidth…

> Those recipe books simply became obsolete with ubiquitous Internet access. Countless recipes are open source and freely available.

These two sentences contradict each other. You are correct: countless recipes are open source and freely available. However, that leads to the same problem with anything else that's freely available online—quality wildly varies. Without some strict curation of what's available, the expected value of a random recipe you find online is often too low to be worth spending the time and ingredients making.

Thus recipe books keep their value—if the book is well reviewed, you can have enough confidence in the recipes it contains to be worth the money and effort to make.

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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I'm actually surprised that printed cookbooks are still economically viable using any kind of publishing model. They remind me of those books from the 1980s filled with printed copies of the source code for computer programs. You would input the text from the book using your keyboard, and compile/interpret the program. That was how many programs were distributed, because a printed book on a truck had higher bandwidth…

> Those recipe books simply became obsolete with ubiquitous Internet access. Countless recipes are open source and freely available. These two sentences contradict each other. You are correct: countless recipes are open source and freely available. However, that leads to the same problem with anything else that's freely available online—quality wildly varies. Without some strict curation of what's available, the expe…

But I don't have any more confidence in reviews than I have in the judgment and reputation of traditional book publishers.

All those curation arguments boil down to trademarks and branding. If you don't know enough to judge for yourself, you still have to know enough to judge whether the judge you delegate knows enough to judge for you.

Maybe you delegate to Alton Brown because he is on television and you like how he explains things. You're choosing to trust Alton Brown to only put his trademark on things that Alton Brown approves of. But why do you trust Alton Brown? You trust the Food Network to choose celebrity television personality trademarks, perhaps? But their goal is to entice you to buy trademark-branded things from Food Network and their advertisers. Their hosts are hired to make good television shows, not necessarily good demonstrations or recipes. They hired Guy Fieri, too, you know! Based strictly on screen time, he seems better at describing what he is eating than actually cooking anything.

If you don't know anything about cooking, you have to trust someone to tell you what to do. How do you know you can trust those reviewers? A lot of them are just food snobs parroting what they learned from previous generations of food snobs.

The key precept is that when you are the one doing the choosing, it's less likely that someone is picking you, as their mark, and forcing you into making an illusory choice that always benefits them, no matter what you pick.

The argument against curation is that the pool of potential curators is just as deep and variable in quality as the things they curate. So you need a curator for your curators--a reviewer for your reviewers. And then you need a meta-meta-curator to judge the quality of your meta-curators, and it's just tortoises all the way down. I'd prefer to do an objective analysis. Pick a set of recipes for the same dish, make all of them, have an accomplice label each with a letter--so you don't know which is which--and do a blind taste test. Rank the lettered portions according to your own preference, and then your accomplice will let you know which recipe you chose as the best. The same process can inform you as to what brand of tomatoes is best in your homemade pasta sauce, or whether unbroken-grain wild rice is really worth the price premium over the bits and pieces, or which tortillas are best for burrito night, or which beer brand is best for general drinking.

Trust the objective measurements. A little bit of science in your kitchen obviates all need for unearned reputation and trust in trademarks.

And that makes you a reliable curator for your friends and family, because your meta-curator is the unimpeachable wisdom of objective science!

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those recipe books simply became obsolete with ubiquitous Internet access. Countless recipes are open source and freely available. These two sentences contradict each other. You are correct: countless recipes are open source and freely available. However, that leads to the same problem with anything else that's freely available online—quality wildly varies. Without some strict curation of what's available, the expe…

But I don't have any more confidence in reviews than I have in the judgment and reputation of traditional book publishers. All those curation arguments boil down to trademarks and branding. If you don't know enough to judge for yourself, you still have to know enough to judge whether the judge you delegate knows enough to judge for you. Maybe you delegate to Alton Brown because he is on television and you like how he…

> But I don't have any more confidence in reviews than I have in the judgment and reputation of traditional book publishers. [...] I'd prefer to do an objective analysis. Pick a set of recipes for the same dish, make all of them, have an accomplice label each with a letter--so you don't know which is which--and do a blind taste test. Rank the lettered portions according to your own preference, and then your accomplice will let you know which recipe you chose as the best.

A pinch of informed trust would save you a pound of time and expense.

> But why do you trust Alton Brown? You trust the Food Network to choose celebrity television personality trademarks, perhaps? But their goal is to entice you to buy trademark-branded things from Food Network and their advertisers. Their hosts are hired to make good television shows, not necessarily good demonstrations or recipes. They hired Guy Fieri, too, you know!

And if all I knew about Alton Brown or Guy Fieri was that they were hired by Food Network, you'd be right! Luckily, the Food Network also put out hundreds of hours of video content with those two guys, so I can get a better sense of where they're coming from, and so how trustworthy their food recommendations might be.

> someone is picking you, as their mark, and forcing you into making an illusory choice that always benefits them, no matter what you pick.

I'm okay with choices that benefit someone else, as long as it benefits me as well. Also known as: all of commerce. Hell, given two choices that benefit me, most of the time I'd prefer the one that benefits someone else as well—which is why I buy things I like, instead of pirating everything.

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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Great writeup on the under-belly of publishing! The first 11 books I wrote were published by mainstream publishers (McGraw-Hill, J. Riley, Springer-Verlag, Morgan Kaufman). While I am grateful for the advance monies paid and great support in writing, I eventually decided that I wanted the freedom to write on whatever topics I wanted and all my new stuff is self published, first through lulu.com and now through leanpu…

leanpub is a cheap markdown printing. you don't get even bibliographic helpers. let alone full color bled pages. always saw it as printed github wiki pages (which seems to also describe most of their content) ...or am I wrong?

your opinion is your opinion, and i wouldn't call it "wrong".

but my opinion is quite different.

i've been active in the e-book sphere for a long time, and i've studied e-book authoring quite extensively, even programming some systems myself, and i think leanpub is quite good. i liked it better when you didn't have to make a lump-sum payment in advance, but even now, i think it's one of the best systems around, especially for people who don't want to code their own solution. and leanpub gives you access to a customer-base that's more than large enough to warrant the small percentage they skim off your sales.

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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I'm actually surprised that printed cookbooks are still economically viable using any kind of publishing model. They remind me of those books from the 1980s filled with printed copies of the source code for computer programs. You would input the text from the book using your keyboard, and compile/interpret the program. That was how many programs were distributed, because a printed book on a truck had higher bandwidth…

Basically, you're paying for curation. I buy cookbooks because I'd rather have one recipe that I have some faith will be good than ten recipes that might sort of work. Having a pile of maybe-good recipes is like having a bunch of StackOverflow answers to things that are sort of related to my problem.

I also still buy travel guides, for the same reason. Paying twenty bucks for a dead-tree guide to the place I'm going means I don't spend half my vacation reading Yelp and TripAdvisor reviews.

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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I'm actually surprised that printed cookbooks are still economically viable using any kind of publishing model. They remind me of those books from the 1980s filled with printed copies of the source code for computer programs. You would input the text from the book using your keyboard, and compile/interpret the program. That was how many programs were distributed, because a printed book on a truck had higher bandwidth…

> Does anyone here still bother buying cookbooks?

Yes.

> Would it not be more useful to simply learn how to cook without referring to recipes?

They aren't mutually exclusive ideas; if you have a basic understanding of cooking, recipes are great points of departure.

> Who needs that level of restaurant-style uniformity and consistency in their own kitchen?

Consistency is not the only reason to buy a cookbook.

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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The publishing industry is slowly going to unravel. If you write a very successful book with traditional publishing cut you might make 30-40k. Average is lower. There are power laws at play, but as few as 5% make it past six figures. So when I wrote a book about step-by-step user acquisition ( https://secretsaucenow.com ) I self-published. Made $60,000-ish in presales, sold another $60,000 while I was finishing the b…

There's one thing you have to factor: the near-instant credibility a physical book published by a big-name publisher gets you. This credibility can often turn into some very lucrative gigs. I wouldn't mind publishing fiction myself, but if I was doing non-fiction, I would want to go through traditional publishing. It doesn't really matter whether people like, say, Malcolm Gladwell made any money off their books. The…

> There's one thing you have to factor: the near-instant credibility a physical book published by a big-name publisher gets you. > This credibility can often turn into some very lucrative gigs.

Does success with a self-published book (or multiple books) translate into making it easier to get books published by big-name publishers on more-acceptable terms?

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those recipe books simply became obsolete with ubiquitous Internet access. Countless recipes are open source and freely available. These two sentences contradict each other. You are correct: countless recipes are open source and freely available. However, that leads to the same problem with anything else that's freely available online—quality wildly varies. Without some strict curation of what's available, the expe…

But I don't have any more confidence in reviews than I have in the judgment and reputation of traditional book publishers. All those curation arguments boil down to trademarks and branding. If you don't know enough to judge for yourself, you still have to know enough to judge whether the judge you delegate knows enough to judge for you. Maybe you delegate to Alton Brown because he is on television and you like how he…

> But why do you trust Alton Brown?

Because I've found the information from his shows has been useful in improving the output of my own cooking. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bought any of his cookbooks.

> If you don't know anything about cooking, you have to trust someone to tell you what to do.

Cookbooks are generally not written for, or primarily marketed to, people who don't know anything about cooking.

> So you need a curator for your curators--a reviewer for your reviewers.

That's what acquaintances you know who have demonstrated proficiency in the kitchen are for.

> Pick a set of recipes for the same dish, make all of them, have an accomplice label each with a letter--so you don't know which is which--and do a blind taste test. Rank the lettered portions according to your own preference, and then your accomplice will let you know which recipe you chose as the best.

This is optimal, but an extreme time and resource hog if you are going to do it with a wide enough range of recipes to be meaningful with no prior filter, and also logistically problematic because many dishes are sensitive to holding time (and because of variability in even skilled execution, you need to execute each recipe multiple times, grade them all, and do statistical aggregation of the results), so you need lots of parallel cooks and parallel kitchens to effectively execute this.

> Trust the objective measurements.

Ranking according to your preference is subjective measurement.

> A little bit of science in your kitchen obviates all need for unearned reputation and trust in trademarks.

If you ignore time and resource constraints, it avoids the need for curation (whether earned or not), in practice, to be usefully used, you need a curated filter in front of the process (but then, it also feeds back into the process of meta-curation by providing information on the reliability of curators.)

Re: Why We Are Self-Publishing the Aviary Cookbook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I don't have any more confidence in reviews than I have in the judgment and reputation of traditional book publishers. All those curation arguments boil down to trademarks and branding. If you don't know enough to judge for yourself, you still have to know enough to judge whether the judge you delegate knows enough to judge for you. Maybe you delegate to Alton Brown because he is on television and you like how he…

> But why do you trust Alton Brown? Because I've found the information from his shows has been useful in improving the output of my own cooking. Otherwise, I wouldn't have bought any of his cookbooks. > If you don't know anything about cooking, you have to trust someone to tell you what to do. Cookbooks are generally not written for, or primarily marketed to, people who don't know anything about cooking. > So you nee…

You're confusing objective vs. subjective with quantitative vs. qualitative. A blinded taste test is an objective, qualitative measurement. If A > B, and the only difference between A and B is a single isolated variable, you're taking most of the subjectivity out. The same person is doing the tasting. You don't need to define a tastiness unit and quantitatively measure each dish with it, because all you need to answer is "which is better?" and not "how much better is A than B?"

With dishes that are sensitive to holding time, it's impractical to do more than two at a time. So you usually end up with a series of "beat the champion" trials between two options. It takes some extra effort, but compared to the amount of effort already expended in cooking, the marginal cost isn't that severe. If you're good at it, you basically end up with a few extra dishes to wash. Maybe you need some extra freezer or pantry space.

You have an entire lifespan to refine your recipes. But you also only have one lifespan to enjoy them, so it's good to do it efficiently.

The cooking recipe problem is the same as a lot of other things. Doing things scientifically is the best way to make things better, but you can't really trust that anyone else is not cutting corners, so any time someone shares their results, you have to be skeptical. The peer review system in place for cookbooks isn't any more trustworthy in my eyes than the one for academic chemists, and that is compounded by the fact that different people like different things.

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