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Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

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Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

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post #6

There is a newspaper claiming he's now working with GCHQ. I doubt such information is true, but given what happened to Gareth Williams in similar circumstances, I'd suggest it's egregiously irresponsible for a newspaper to even suggest it given everyone now knows who he is.

For those curious as I was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6990kh/til_i...

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It's definitely weird, but there's a reason (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/apr/25/mi6-gareth-wil...) that they considered this as a real possibility:

> But his former landlady, Jennifer Elliot, told the inquest that three years before his death, she and her husband had heard Williams call for help at 1.30am from the annex flat he was renting from them in Cheltenham, where he worked at GCHQ.

> They let themselves in with the spare key and found the codes expert lying on his back on the bed, in boxer shorts, with his hands tied to the bed posts with material so tight it had cut his wrists.

> In a statement read to the inquest, Elliot said she and her husband had both been in shock. Her husband asked Williams: "What the bloody hell are you doing?" Williams told them: "I just wanted to see if could get myself free."

> The statement added that he did not appear sexually aroused, and was "very embarrassed, panicky and apologetic."

> The couple, who never spoke to anyone about the incident, said they concluded it was "sexual rather than escapology".

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

#32
post #6

There is a newspaper claiming he's now working with GCHQ. I doubt such information is true, but given what happened to Gareth Williams in similar circumstances, I'd suggest it's egregiously irresponsible for a newspaper to even suggest it given everyone now knows who he is.

He applied for GHCQ but while waiting for clearance, he was offered a better job offer.

https://www.malwaretech.com/2016/05/infosec-without-degree.h...

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

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post #32
post #6

There is a newspaper claiming he's now working with GCHQ. I doubt such information is true, but given what happened to Gareth Williams in similar circumstances, I'd suggest it's egregiously irresponsible for a newspaper to even suggest it given everyone now knows who he is.

He applied for GHCQ but while waiting for clearance, he was offered a better job offer. https://www.malwaretech.com/2016/05/infosec-without-degree.h...

GCHQ / CESG / etc do some arm's length work with a few people without directly employing them.

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

#34
post #19

If some journalists were able to find his identity, he can safely assume that the people behind wannacry are also able to do it. Maybe he'll take some measures to protect himslef more now. I would've liked to see the journalists find the hackers behind this. That would've been an achievement indeed.

If some journalists were able to find his identity, he can safely assume that the people behind wannacry are also able to do it. How do you figure? Digging through information and finding out this sort of stuff is literally what journalists do for a living.

Digging through information and finding out this sort of stuff is literally what hackers do for a living

for lack of a better term

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

#35

I respect the intent of the article, but I feel that the author completely misjudges the intentions and perspective of the mainstream journalists and their readership. It looks more like a culture clash than malice. > MalwareTech doesn’t give out his name on his Twitter page or blog. There are no headshots. It’s obvious that he just wants to be left alone to get on with what he enjoys – hacking shit, and figuring out…

"for the general public, the concept of "anonymous hacker" is not associated with anything good"

An association that's largely created by these tabloids in the first place.

"that's what "general public" wants to read about"

Maybe, but if that's what's required, they should be requesting an interview with him and only reveal what he agrees to reveal. If he wishes to, that could lead to a more insightful look at a man and his motivations rather than random paragraphs about pizza and surfing.

If he chose not to reveal anything, a responsible journalist would accept that and understand that the man has reasons for wishing to stay anonymous. Not dig into his information and publish it anyway, leading to both him and his friends being needlessly harassed for preventing crimes. At the very least, this could lead to future would-be Samaritans from deploying fixes or publicly detailing their methods.

At least they manages to increase their clicks with some facts rather than just making things up, I suppose.

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

#36
post #15

The Telegraph, The Sun and the Daily Mail are utter shitstains.

We have the media we deserve, for the most part.

True I suppose, but the problem is that this guy got the media someone else deserved. The victims and the audience aren't the same groups.

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

#37
post #19

If some journalists were able to find his identity, he can safely assume that the people behind wannacry are also able to do it. Maybe he'll take some measures to protect himslef more now. I would've liked to see the journalists find the hackers behind this. That would've been an achievement indeed.

If some journalists were able to find his identity, he can safely assume that the people behind wannacry are also able to do it. How do you figure? Digging through information and finding out this sort of stuff is literally what journalists do for a living.

I occasionally offer to dox people to show them how bad their OpSec truly is or as an example of why I don't use social media like Facebook for privacy concerns. Doxing people is often trivial since nearly anyone contributing to discussions online have large online profiles. It isn't a very difficult task - just a game of connecting the dots and knowing how to construct specific Google search queries (eg: "site:___ + 'some info'").

If a journalist can find it - any internet layman who knows how to Google can find it.

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

#38

If some journalists were able to find his identity, he can safely assume that the people behind wannacry are also able to do it. Maybe he'll take some measures to protect himslef more now. I would've liked to see the journalists find the hackers behind this. That would've been an achievement indeed.

I'm not sure the people behind this are going to bother researching it themselves.... but if handed to them they might choose to do so.

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

#39
post #23

Got to love the news! They just love throwing anyone under the bus..

This was mostly Murdoch's rags, which, unfortunately, many folks can't distinguish from actual newspapers.

If only "Murdoch's rags" were doing this sort of thing, the media landscape would be a lot better than it is now.

Once you personal preferences because you happen to be ideologically aligned with a particular news source, I have a hard time seeing how pretty much any of the major mainstream media outlets is better or worse than any of the others. (Yes, this includes the New York Times, too.)

Ironically, I was just complaining on HN a couple of days ago about the near-death of investigative journalism and how when historians go to assign a date for that event it'll probably be in the past. So it's even more egregious in some ways than I think it initially sounds that these journalists dox'ed this guy... they don't seem to have the resources to do much truly investigative journalism nowadays, and this is what they spend those scant resources on! Why not just come out and tell us all that they're too afraid nowadays to do any investigative journalism on anyone with even a hint of power?

Re: Doxing the hero who stopped WannaCry was irresponsible and dumb

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The Media likes to have gripping headlines that create celebrities . Presenting a person as a Hero is a tried and true way to do this. Once you do that to a person the hazards of being a celebrity pop up . Doxxing from media and anonymous , people digging up dirt on you etc... it is an unfortunate situation and it's ruined many people's lives .
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