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Re: Moom removed from sale due to patent violation claim

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are there any open source alternatives to Moom?

I highly recommend Slate ( https://github.com/jigish/slate ). It doesn't appear to have some of the features of Moom, but it's quite adept and configurable.

doesn't seem to have been touched for 4 years

Re: Moom removed from sale due to patent violation claim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The patent doesn't appear to describe tiling window management It does though. The screenshots show grid options, and describe how the end user can place windows in the grid. It specifically complains about how MS Windows has overlapping windows. Grid + no overlap == tiling. >Indeed the patent describes a user interface to accomplish this that looks very similar to screenshots of Moom. Sure. The argument about "nove…

It may be silly, but remember that the US uses first-to-file, not first-to-invent.

That only comes up when two people file for patents that overlap. You cannot patent known inventions.

Re: Moom removed from sale due to patent violation claim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, I looked it up, and strictly speaking you are right, [1]. But, quoting: "The European Patent Convention (EPC), Article 52, paragraph 2, excludes from patentability, in particular 1. discoveries, scientific theories and mathematical methods; 2. aesthetic creations; 3. schemes, rules and methods for performing mental acts, playing games or doing business, and programs for computers; 4. presentations of informatio…

That's all well and good, but if you get sued you still have to pay quite a lot of money to a lawyer to prove you're right, and even if you win you're still stuck with the bill.

EU system is a bit different - first, you're not stuck with the bill as in USA, and second, there would be no patent so no reason to sue.

Unlike prior art, which often needs to be proven in court, disallowing software patents as a class means that this patent simply would not get issued in EU.

Re: Moom removed from sale due to patent violation claim

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There's something fundamentally broken about the patent system.

It's difficult to say where the fault lies. I would rather live in a world of patents than not, if we insist on sticking to the idea of not forcing research and discoveries into the public domain. What would have prevented this particular case?

"Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."

The trade off with patents is that the author will, in exchange for a limited monopoly, reveal his invention to "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts". In the case of software patents, the things that are patented are not worth this trade off and, IMO, are a net drag on Progress.

As a developer, I'm making Progress in spite of patents. Software patents are a bit like giving tax breaks to oil companies when we are awash in cheap oil - the cost isn't worth it.

Whenever a client wants to patent what I've done for them, I grit my teeth and fill out the paperwork they ask me to. My reluctance is partly because I know it is making the world a worse place for developers and partly because I feel ashamed that they would consider it patent-able - like getting your crayon drawing put up in the Louvre.

Re: Moom removed from sale due to patent violation claim

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post #51
post #39

are there any open source alternatives to Moom?

Cinch and SizeUp. http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/cinch/ http://www.irradiatedsoftware.com/sizeup/ Been using them for a few years now. I'm quite happy. The combination, after you configure it, is superior to the Windows implementation.

They're not open source

Re: Moom removed from sale due to patent violation claim

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If anyone is looking for an alternative: I put together a grid based window manager without an UI some months ago. https://github.com/janten/keypad-layout

This looks pretty cool. I'm on a phone, so didn't look at source, but I'm curious about install procedure (also see an issue about brew).

As a web dev, I think I'd like to see this work like a css grid. Width then height. So, ^3^2 would be three columns two rows. Maybe that won't work in practice. Maybe I'll play with the code to see.

Re: Moom removed from sale due to patent violation claim

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If anyone is looking for an alternative: I put together a grid based window manager without an UI some months ago. https://github.com/janten/keypad-layout

This looks pretty cool. I'm on a phone, so didn't look at source, but I'm curious about install procedure (also see an issue about brew).

As a web dev, I think I'd like to see this work like a css grid. Width then height. So, ^3^2 would be three columns two rows. Maybe that won't work in practice. Maybe I'll play with the code to see.

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