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China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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I'm struck by China's ability to attempt large, ambitious projects like this, compared to America's inability to do, well, anything really. The largest infrastructure project I'm aware of in the USA is California's High Speed Rail (~$60B+), was approved a decade ago and is barely making any progress. The federal government is in complete gridlock. The most ambitious legislation passed in the last decade, the ACA, cau…

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Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see how stealing IP is protectionism. Theft, sure, but not protectionism.

I would say it's the other way around. Negotiating international trade agreements with the purpose of limiting the flow of information by means of "IP" is the very definition of protectionism.

Mutual IP agreements are not protectionism just an equal playing field. Protecting domestic companies, but not foreign ones on the other hand is the definition of protectionism.

PS: Abolishing IP would also be a level playing field, but again that's not what they are doing.

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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There has been a lot of debate on India's refusal (for political reasons around disputed territory) to join the OBOR. Such debates are tempered by math that show that the trains are actually less efficient than shipping in lots of cases [1].

I wonder if the pure economic value , minus the investment leverage, still makes sense.

[1] https://m.rediff.com/news/column/india-doesnt-want-to-join-c...

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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The scary part is china's protectionism. Small nations and businesses have so little possibilities to operate in china without getting robbed of IP or being outcompeted by state supported domestic ventures. I fear the future of China being stronger superpower than the USA.

Protectionism has never made a country strong.

Worked pretty well for the US in the 1800s.

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the period from the end of the Three Kingdoms (~280AD) to the beginning of the Sui/Tang (~580AD) when Mahayana Buddhism evangelized China?

Isn't Buddhism a philosophy/approach to living rather than a religion?

You're thinking more of Theravada Buddhism which spread to Sri Lanka and Thailand, and the more recent Tibetan variety. The Mahayana version which took over China features statues of many different gods, often taken directly from Taoism.

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> They purchase our movie studios and then force on them Chinese propaganda and nothing negative on China ever. They are free to do what they want with what they have bought and paid for. > if not the least Lol is right.

Don't you know, Hollywood has never pushed American propaganda before...

Umm I don't think you are getting the fundamental logic here. America has pushed propaganda, but they also allow movies that make America look bad: botched CIA missions true or not, slavery, different look at revered historical figures, greedy American leaders/FBI/CIA or whatever. They don't purposefully stop what makes America look bad. China does, there is a huge difference in that. Secondly, the government itself doesn't control what gets pushed out (in very rare classified instances .001% they have before) the free market does. Some audiences love pro American movies, some love anti-American but it's capitalism not propaganda

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

American technology companies don't rely on IP restrictions as much as they used to. You couldn't copy Facebook, Google, Apple, or Amazon's products and services effectively on a global scale even if they had no IP restrictions. And China is the second largest market for American movies, which absolutely require IP law to function. So I think this concern is overstated.

China has shown that they are very adept at copying American high-tech innovation. * Facebook: WeChat/Weibo * Google: Baidu * Apple: already being made in China, clones everywhere * Amazon: Alibaba

Actually Facebook has shamelessly copy-catted WeChat continuously over the last 2 years

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The "Belt and Road" scheme is well known. The first container freight train from Yiwu, China to Barking, England, arrived January 15, 2017. Coast to coast travel time: two weeks.[1] Conveniently, China uses a 4' 8.5" track gauge, unlike Russian metric gauge, so they can move freight cars all the way without a gauge change. Soon, of course, heavier rails, longer trains, faster trains, more trains, better gradients, mo…

the "belt and road" is a nothing burger.

"The Chinese government had hoped to assemble a weightier guest list to Mr Xi’s premier international forum, which is occurring just months before he formally begins a second five-year term in office. But many heads of state and government, especially from G7 and OECD nations, were reluctant to participate in what they thought might be little more than a propaganda coup for China’s ruling Communist party.

Only seven EU heads of state or government, most from smaller eastern European countries, accepted Mr Xi’s invitation, while Kenyan president Uhuru Kenyatta will be the only top-level African VIP."

https://www.ft.com/content/f89060ac-36c7-11e7-bce4-9023f8c0f...

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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The scary part is china's protectionism. Small nations and businesses have so little possibilities to operate in china without getting robbed of IP or being outcompeted by state supported domestic ventures. I fear the future of China being stronger superpower than the USA.

pretty sure the world doesn't want an authoritarian dictatorship like China, who acts like a retarded bully with Taiwan and Dali Lama, who oppresses its own people in hong kong and xinjiang, who is belligerent with most of its neighbors like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, India.

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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The "Belt and Road" scheme is well known. The first container freight train from Yiwu, China to Barking, England, arrived January 15, 2017. Coast to coast travel time: two weeks.[1] Conveniently, China uses a 4' 8.5" track gauge, unlike Russian metric gauge, so they can move freight cars all the way without a gauge change. Soon, of course, heavier rails, longer trains, faster trains, more trains, better gradients, mo…

According to thablackbull's link, gauge changes take place in Khorgos between China and Kazakhstan and at the Belarus-Poland border. Much of the journey is through the former Soviet Union.

Sorry, I should have realized the route went through gauge changes, even though both ends are the same gauge. That's a pain. It's a routine operation, but a big one.

Not sure what they do about loading gauge. The UK has many limited loading gauge lines, due to old tunnels and bridges. No way will a double stack container train fit in the UK. Here's a brief world loading gauge summary.[1] The leftmost outline is the general UK limit; some lines have more clearance, especially the ones that connect to Eurotunnel. The next one is the general EU limit, small by world standards. Note the round top. AAR Plate B is the basic US limit; any Plate B boxcar can go on any US mainline track. 95% of US track accepts AAR Plate C, the "hi-cube" boxcar. AAR Plate H, 20' 3" high [2] is for double-stack container cars. Union Pacific and BNSF have upgraded to that level.

China and Russia go in for big loading gauges like the US, being big countries with long distances to cross. Watch for China lobbying the EU to upgrade for heavier freight.

[1] http://emdx.org/rail/Gabarit/ComparaisonGabaritsEuropenEtAAR... [2] http://www.icrr.net/plates.htm

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