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China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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I found this talk with Niall Ferguson and Samantha Power pretty fascinating about the US - China power balance changing. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8yghOc-lMIM

Just one mindblowing fact from the talk - China has poured more concrete in the last two years than the US in the last hundred.

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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The "China vs America" narrative is unnecessary.

If China wants to spend a trillion dollars on infrastructure to develop their region that's a great thing for America too.

Counterintuitively, it could even be better for the US than China. Eventually the demand for low-margin, subsidized, Chinese steel will flatten, while the demand for high-margin American technology and cultural products will grow.

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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The "China vs America" narrative is unnecessary. If China wants to spend a trillion dollars on infrastructure to develop their region that's a great thing for America too. Counterintuitively, it could even be better for the US than China. Eventually the demand for low-margin, subsidized, Chinese steel will flatten, while the demand for high-margin American technology and cultural products will grow.

without IP these high margin American technology is copyable, which China has already shown they can do that.

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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post #11

I found this talk with Niall Ferguson and Samantha Power pretty fascinating about the US - China power balance changing. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8yghOc-lMIM Just one mindblowing fact from the talk - China has poured more concrete in the last two years than the US in the last hundred.

It's like everything in Dan Ligon's satirical video from 10 years ago came true:

http://cargocollective.com/danligon/filter/current-tv/Ha-Ha-...

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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I recently heard Charles Hess from InferFocus talk about the changes coming from China. The United States is about to be passed up in a big way due to Xi's "China Dream" https://twitter.com/cervinventures/status/860307819030958080

What should the US do than? Spend our tax dollars on foreign handouts? If US companies want to invest in SE Asia there is nothing stopping them.

I don't have an answer for you. But, I'd rather spend tax dollars building railroads in SE Asia than blowing up the Middle East. #Iraq2Trillion #neverforget

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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Bravo China. Instead of overspending on military conquer the world thru trade and investment.

I also applaud that idea. But I do wonder if it's possible to protect/expand trade without military activity. Historically it seems military expansion is the tip of the spear for trade expansion.

Nixon expanded trade without the military.

Other than that... except for the awful Iraq situation, I don't remember any kind of gunboat diplomacy post WW2.

Edit: nevermind, Iran.

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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Bravo China. Instead of overspending on military conquer the world thru trade and investment.

I also applaud that idea. But I do wonder if it's possible to protect/expand trade without military activity. Historically it seems military expansion is the tip of the spear for trade expansion.

There are plenty of examples in the late 20th century where military activity wasn't a help: Taiwan and South Korea have succeeded despite their military challenges -- and spend basically nothing militarily protecting their trade.

Re: China's $1T Plan to Shake Up the Economic Order

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post #11

I found this talk with Niall Ferguson and Samantha Power pretty fascinating about the US - China power balance changing. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8yghOc-lMIM Just one mindblowing fact from the talk - China has poured more concrete in the last two years than the US in the last hundred.

China is a hot mass, people look at it as valuable energy, but it seems it lacks structure to be able to handle itself without risk of collapse. I don't wish them to fail, I just wish things to evolve smoothly and peacefully.
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