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Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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The privacy policy for education and the article both explicitly say they are not doing this.

> say they aren't doing this. Well, problem solved! Neither the government nor Google have ever lied to us. ;-)

Without an example that shows that Google has a habit of lying your comment just wastes people's time. Do your research and make your comment useful.

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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A couple personal anecdotes related to this: I volunteer at a school to help maintain around 300 iPads and ~20 iMacs. It's awful. (I am a longtime Mac user at home BTW). The management tools around updating the iPads, installing apps, and configuring users are all terrible, unreliable and old. It leads to teacher frustration and less use of the equipment in the classroom. The only thing worse are the windows computer…

My personal experiences is exactly the same. In 2012 my old high school rolled out whatever the Google Apps for Education equivalent program was. They auto-generated usernames and passwords based off first and last name. Not only did this lead to a large number of students and teachers getting """hacked""" but most students ended up triggering the rate limit for incorrect passwords and the teachers eventually gave up on it. 5 years later they seem to be doing better but never underestimate the number of hurdles rolling out tech into an education environment. You either sync 1:1 with AD or convert water into wine, otherwise you are not getting adopted probably.

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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Chrome book is indeed a real killer product, not just for schools but for average home users as well. Microsoft used to have a Briefcase icon on desktops for offline file syncing. It used to work for those who used it effectively (it was under used of course). But yes, Dropbox went further than anyone else.

I remember Microsoft Briefcase. It was one of the new, exciting features you could only get with Windows 95! Yes, woefully underused. But in those days networked storage was difficult to set up and removable media meant ZIP drives. Today we have The Cloud™, aka PFM that just works.

It was buggy as hell, I've known quite a few people who lost hours of work to it.

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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You're talking about engineers. Of course you need to understand some formulas if you're going to be an engineer. But for most of the people who aren't going to do that, they're useless.

But for most of the people who aren't going to do that, they're useless. A system that cuts out a whole range of career paths simply because as a kid someone didn't like maths, is a bad one. Kids don't know what they need in life. That's why our culture takes decisions away from them until they are 18.

At the same time you can't prep every kid to be a neurosurgeon. Or a prison guard. Or a helicopter machine gunner (which many would probably sign up to be if presented with the option at a young enough age!).

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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I have mixed feelings about this. Personally, working as a contractor at Google was one of the interesting jobs I have had and I generally like Google. That said, after reading Dave Eggers' excellent book "The Circle" last year and having watched the movie yesterday, I was reminded of the dangers (even if fictional in the case of the book) of a monopoly controlling knowledge. The book/movie is obviously about Google…

I also think it is kinda backwards that a for-profit corporation is subsidizing public education. This is a symptom of a broken system and instead of praising Google we should fix what is broken about the system. This also creates an interesting precedent if it sticks. Are parents going to beg Google to prop up their schools now?

> we should fix what is broken about the system

Who is we? The state? I don't trust the state to be able to fix this. Remember the launch of healthcare.gov? Google employees had to step in to fix it to make it usable.

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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> say they aren't doing this. Well, problem solved! Neither the government nor Google have ever lied to us. ;-)

Without an example that shows that Google has a habit of lying your comment just wastes people's time. Do your research and make your comment useful.

Oh lighten up. The defendant is already infamous. Whether or not you think Google is "evil" is largely a matter of opinion and definitely not worth anyone's time debating. It's already been done over and over. But it's still my right to distrust any big company or government with my data, along with deciding the odds that current or future leadership will break promises.

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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post #115

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I also think it is kinda backwards that a for-profit corporation is subsidizing public education. This is a symptom of a broken system and instead of praising Google we should fix what is broken about the system. This also creates an interesting precedent if it sticks. Are parents going to beg Google to prop up their schools now?

> we should fix what is broken about the system Who is we? The state? I don't trust the state to be able to fix this. Remember the launch of healthcare.gov? Google employees had to step in to fix it to make it usable.

Why do you automatically couple the collective noun to the state? I didn't say government bureaucrats should fix the problem for specific reasons. The world is more than just corporations and state sponsored entities. "We" means regular people, parents, teachers, community organizers, etc.

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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Google is providing cheap, stable laptops for education and most people commenting here are painting Google as an evil data-hungry corporation. I get that companies should be subject to scrutiny due to their outsized responsibility and impact, but this is just silly. In 2013 only 60% of children had internet access at home in the U.S.[0] It might not seem like a big deal for HN readers, but computer access is still a…

Provide cheap, stable laptops that do not have any bias to any corporation, no integration with Google services, or anything, and this would be true.

But this way? Sorry, but after the past years you can’t honestly believe this is pure altruism.

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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They are also building profiles on every single one of those students which is not only creepy but downright dangerous. Imagine if Trump decided he no longer wanted to hire anyone for a public sector job, if they are pro-green politics. Society will come to regret this and I'll probably still be alive to witness it.

The privacy policy for education and the article both explicitly say they are not doing this.

Right! That’s why Google has never retroactively changed their privacy policies and decided to datamine anyway...

Oh, wait, they did exactly that with Gmail.

Re: Google is transforming public education with low-cost laptops and free apps

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I have mixed feelings about this. Personally, working as a contractor at Google was one of the interesting jobs I have had and I generally like Google. That said, after reading Dave Eggers' excellent book "The Circle" last year and having watched the movie yesterday, I was reminded of the dangers (even if fictional in the case of the book) of a monopoly controlling knowledge. The book/movie is obviously about Google…

I also think it is kinda backwards that a for-profit corporation is subsidizing public education. This is a symptom of a broken system and instead of praising Google we should fix what is broken about the system. This also creates an interesting precedent if it sticks. Are parents going to beg Google to prop up their schools now?

This isn't even remotely new. Apple and windows have been doing the same ever since computers were in schools. Heck, I even got free oem copies of Vista and 7, and Ms word through my school (University) which were provided to the school well below what the normal prices were.

The fact that Google is providing a subjectively better alternative isn't remotely new, but if it works better and see lower cost to schools, I'm more than happy to see it happen.

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