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Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by brownbat »

coldtea wrote: post #163
paulddraper wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 99% of movies today are crap Survivorship bias. They always have been.

"Things are always the same" fallacy. No, there are periods that are artistically more fruitful and interesting that others, and the history of art knows and documents several of them.

> there are periods that are artistically more fruitful and interesting that others,

Sure, but the claim was just that there have always been bad movies.

Here's a test: If there's some year you know of where bad movies were exceptionally rare, let us know. Then we'll see if we can provide counterexamples.

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by sqeaky »

ryandrake wrote: post #224
cbanek wrote: post #4

> Humans are agressively being eliminated from as many business models as possible. Well that's true, where they don't add value. What's the difference between the case of getting movie tickets and your waiter at a fancy restaurant? One of them is practically a useless annoyance, and the other one is part of the experience. Someone in a movie box isn't going to tell you about the movie, or have a conversation about i…

> On the other hand, the fancy waiter will make recommendations. Will tell you about other things, and is generally part of the ambiance and experience of eating out. I don't see the distinction. With all due respect to waitstaff (it's a tough job), the function is just begging for automation. An order-and-payment-taking tablet embedded into the table would be so much more efficient: 1. No need to wait for staff to c…

What you are describing would be great for chain restaurants like Chile's or Olive Garden, but for something sufficiently high end the people involved really matter. If you shift your view up a few notches there are many places where real intelligence and dynamicness is required that we can't yet automated.

Having a wine expert or a unique expert chef as part of the experience is part of high end dining. Consider one of those mid to high end Japanese steak houses where there they throw shrimp across the room into someone's mouth. Or a more midwestern steakhouse where you can talk with a person who butchered the steak. Or one of the new microbreweries where can can talk with the brewer about some new experiment has has and look at the brewing equipment right there. None of these make sense to automate, until we get strong AI.

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by notahacker »

ansible wrote: post #222
notahacker wrote: post #178

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Do you think the fact people are renting property now is going to stop landlords putting the rent up when they know that their target market that's used to spending nearly all their income on rent now has a lot more to spend (and few more housing options than before)?

If poor people have income not tied to a specific location, I'm expecting that they're going to move to lower-cost locations, rather than stay in expensive urban areas. So I further would expect that this will overall depress rents in urban areas.

Most poor people's work (or habits, or family and friends) tends to be very location sensitive...

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by Mz »

paulddraper wrote: post #30
e_d_e_v wrote: post #11

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When I worked in the movie box, that was not at all true. People would come in and ask about the movie. How long was it, whether it was any good, should they see another one instead? We gave them real answers. Just because you have a minimum wage job doesn't mean you're a bump on a log. If you've lost sight of the value of basic human interaction with anyone not baked into your caste, I pity you, even if you are in t…

> 99% of movies today are crap Survivorship bias. They always have been.

Given that there are now like 7 billion people on the planet AND we can make indie movies cheaply, home movies, etc. probably at least 99.9999% of movies today are crap.

It used to take a lot more resources and know how to make a movie. Today, any hack can do so. Gawd.

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by fasquoika »

FussyZeus wrote: post #115
CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #102

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If you don't see a dime I wouldn't call it an UBI. "Unconditional" is supposed to mean that everyone gets the same amount of dime. If you are concerned with progressive income tax as a means of financing it. Consider the possibility to implement UBI based on land rent instead, like the Alaska oil fund but the rent from all kinds of natural resources that really should be shared fairly anyway. Regarding the issue that…

> If you don't see a dime I wouldn't call it an UBI. "Unconditional" is supposed to mean that everyone gets the same amount of dime. I wouldn't see a dime because I make far, far more than the people who need it. I don't need help.

Then you're not talking about a UBI, you're talking about a negative income tax[0], which IMO is a lot saner than a UBI.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by fra »

choward wrote: post #87
cbanek wrote: post #4

> Humans are agressively being eliminated from as many business models as possible. Well that's true, where they don't add value. What's the difference between the case of getting movie tickets and your waiter at a fancy restaurant? One of them is practically a useless annoyance, and the other one is part of the experience. Someone in a movie box isn't going to tell you about the movie, or have a conversation about i…

> On the other hand, the fancy waiter will make recommendations. Will tell you about other things, and is generally part of the ambiance and experience of eating out. I only need the waiter to tell me this because I have no idea what the food with end up looking like. Just put pictures of items on the menu. Problem solved. Now it get to order what looks best.

For some restaurants, unveiling the food is a big part of the experience and photos would ruin a lot of the fun. E.g. Atelier Crenn in SF

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by sqeaky »

groby_b wrote: post #196
Erik816 wrote: post #32

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Why trust one random person (who may not have even seen the movie you are interested in, share your preferences, or be particular insightful) when you can have the aggregate wisdom of everyone who has seen the movie and cared enough to rate it?

Because, frankly, I don't give a shit about aggregate "wisdom". (It's aggregate opinions, no wisdom to be found there). Many movies are polarizing. In aggregate, they're OK. Talking to a single person whose opinion I trust is much more helpful than getting an average from 1,000s. Look at Yelp ratings - everything is pretty good by now, and the recommendations are mostly meaningless. They don't fit my needs, if my nee…

I disagree with you on almost every, but so much of it is soft and nebulous so lets you are correct for most of your comment. I just want to pick on tiny part:

> Talking to a single person whose opinion I trust

Why should we trust the person at the ticket counter?

They have no special knowledge or insight. It seems likely to me they will have below average insight otherwise they wouldn't be working an easy to automate job.

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by refurb »

gloverkcn wrote: post #167
bluehazed wrote: post #120

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Riches' motivation to do what? Continually hoard resources? The problem of hoarding, tax evasion, and generally just theft from society disguised as "innovation tax" is the problem that already exists. You're not reducing economic activity, you're just taking economic output and putting it where it deserves to go.

Instead of deserves to go, I would say where it will be the most mobile. Sitting in a bank account doesn't do anything for the economy. Giving it to the poor means it will get spent. The people that the poor buy from will see an increase of revenue and make more money. Those people being one step above the poor will spend the profits (as well as buy more inventory), and the cycle continues. Trickle up will generate t…

Rich people don't have most of their money sitting in bank accounts.

And even if they did, you think the banks just sit on it? No, they loan it out.

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by sqeaky »

jimbokun wrote: post #181
Erik816 wrote: post #32

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Why trust one random person (who may not have even seen the movie you are interested in, share your preferences, or be particular insightful) when you can have the aggregate wisdom of everyone who has seen the movie and cared enough to rate it?

Why trust the waiter over Yelp?

Because yelp is horrible.

You argument is much stronger as "Why trust the waiter over meaningful online reviews?"

That argument is much stronger and I can only attack in niche markets like very high end restaurants.

Re: Guaranteed Minimum What?

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Post by sqeaky »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #180
coldtea wrote: post #166

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If many of those people don't have money to "put food on the table and participate in society" who will be able to pay any business for anything?

Bingo! If humans are continually replaced by robots without being given an income subsidized by the benefits of automation, in the long run, the robots will have to be shut down because the humans can longer pay for the products!

You are missing a great deal of suffering in the middle. Decent hard working people can start dying long before the robots must shut down.
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