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Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by musha68k »

chiph wrote: post #2

Not the first mistake the studio made with this film.

Long time fan of both mangas and anime:

While lacking the full spirit of either source (it's clearly more influenced by Mamory Oshii's anime) it's still an entertaining democratization effort (communicating at least some of the originals' visions successfully). What I did like especially were the somewhat untypical aesthetics and special fx - geisha scene was the coolest one yet, also enjoyed Kitano as funny, yakuzaesque Aramaki. Those - to me - genuinley fresh aspects may be due to apparently more outside-of-Hollywood production influences.

7/10

Hideo Kojima identifies the real problem with the movie – the age of (internet) wonder is over:

http://www.glixel.com/news/hideo-kojima-on-the-philosophy-be...

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by Pigo »

jads wrote: post #17
Paul_S wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really struggling to believe there are people out there dying to get the soundtrack. I'm afraid this entry in the franchise will go the way of the matrix sequels. And if your question is "what matrix sequels?", well, that's my point.

You're confusing the movie and the music. There are a lot of terrible movies with great soundtracks (Phantom Menace, for instance). Both Clint Mansell and Lorne Bale are highly-regarded and talented composers, with many soundtracks under their belts - and plenty of fans. I haven't seen the movie but I've heard some of the soundtrack and it saddens me that it isn't available. Soundtracks to movies, TV shows, and video…

I remember loving the soundtrack the Queen of the Damned, it was completely arranged by Jonathan Davis and had a lot of big names on it. The movie was a travesty and an insult to Anne Rice's work, but then there was this awesome soundtrack (if you were a fan of that type of music).

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by Meph504 »

I don't understand why stories like this even get shared?

It's hardly a mystery, much less the biggest mystery of 2017.

The movie flopped, was an embarrassment to the studio, licensing the songs used in the film for distribution was probably a gamble they didn't feel worth it.

Crap, article simple.

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by Paul_S »

jerf wrote: post #11
Paul_S wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really struggling to believe there are people out there dying to get the soundtrack. I'm afraid this entry in the franchise will go the way of the matrix sequels. And if your question is "what matrix sequels?", well, that's my point.

There's no accounting for taste. And I did find the criticism that the so-called "journalists" are too busy writing click-bait headlines to even rouse themselves to the level of interest in a story like this as small as simply returning an email to be a bit on point. I suspect when historians place a date on the death of investigative journalism, it will be in what is currently our past.

Unrelated but when I first heard a journalist report a tweet as news I knew he had just made himself redundant. Not saying there was a way for him to stop this.

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by partisan »

ekianjo wrote: post #18

For a second I thought it was about the Japanese movie soundtrack. Excellent compositions from Kenji Kawai by the way. Who cares about the Hollywood mediocre movie that came out recently?

Absolutely. I listen to the original Kenji Kawai GITS soundtrack often and it never seems to lose its haunting beauty.

The new movie disappointed in all ways including the music.

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by firasd »

Meph504 wrote: post #23

I don't understand why stories like this even get shared? It's hardly a mystery, much less the biggest mystery of 2017. The movie flopped, was an embarrassment to the studio, licensing the songs used in the film for distribution was probably a gamble they didn't feel worth it. Crap, article simple.

This is about the original score, not songs in the movie. If it's such an embarrassment to the studio why would they not just ignore the score, and let it be uploaded to iTunes as scheduled (including pre-orders and cover art)--instead of abruptly putting a hold on it? You are just speculating and that's my point, an entertainment reporter who knows how to dig into these things needs to look into it.

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by pdkl95 »

Tehnix wrote: post #9
chiph wrote: post #2

Not the first mistake the studio made with this film.

I'm curios to hear if you have any specific critics. I actually quite liked the movie, once you get over the fact that you are comparing it to the original anime, and the new elements it brought in, despite it being a bit too much dumbed down for hollywood audience. I also never understood the SJW critics of white washing it, and it was in fact mostly white hollywood people that got offended. The Japanese themselves…

I recommend watching this[1] PBS Idea Channel interview, which addresses this issue specifically.

> The Japanese themselves absolutely loved Scarlett Johansson in the role

That's discussed at 10:40 in [1]. Briefly, Japanese films don't really have a whitewashing problem, so it's easy for the people in Japan to accept this film. In Japan the casting isn't reinforcing representation and visibility problems (asian erasure). Those problems do exist in Hollywood.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkfrZ91jA_0

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by choxi »

firasd wrote: post #4
chiph wrote: post #2

Not the first mistake the studio made with this film.

I have some sympathy for Paramount in this. First the social-​justice types went after them for not casting an Asian lead, then the critic reviews were unkind, then it really under-performed at the box office, and now people are upset about the music not being released… Some marketing exec over there is probably like “I don’t want to hear about GITS anymore, ever!”

I'm not a social-justice type, but I did choose to not see this movie for casting a caucasian actress as the lead. It's not quite as egregious as the Bruce Lee biopic where the protagonist isn't Bruce Lee [1], but I still believe GITS supports Hollywood's overall whitewashing problem.

It might be hard for someone non-Asian to appreciate what it's like growing up without a single Asian role model in Hollywood (I'm not even east asian, I'm south asian but I'll take what I can get). I'm not demanding that every movie or show have equally diverse casts, and I don't expect the next Spiderman or Bond to be black, but if the original story was Japanese with all Japanese characters can we please not make the lead caucasian every time?

[1]. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-37570803

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by humanrebar »

CivilianZero wrote: post #8
anotheryou wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No sympathy whatsoever. They kinda inverted the main plot. SPOILERS AHEAD: What they made: A (slightly technophobic) very human and involentary cyborg fighting for humanity and letting the equally human anti-hero die to keep on fighting for the human race against digitalization and greedy other humans. Also: strange human trafficking sob-story. What it was: The first cyborg without any human tissue remaining fighting…

Other than the "love", you've hit exactly on why I dislike the movie. I don't care who they cast or recast if they would just get the point of the story, but western media has no concept of how to do a proper narrative about identity and can't accept any story involving technology that isn't bemoaning it and "exposing" how dangerous it is to us and society as a whole. In other words, western media becomes a drooling…

> ...western media has no concept of how to do a proper narrative about identity...

I must be misunderstanding your complaint, because it seems that everyone's favorite metaplot is about identity these days. Off the top of my head:

- Frozen: choosing own future and identity over what was given you

- Dark Knight: projecting an inaccurate identity to protect people

- Zootopia: overcoming prejudice by breaking glass ceilings

- The Crown: how to manage contradictory identities (head of church, head of state), overcoming prejudice

Especially on the nose:

- Westworld: I don't want to get into too many plot details, but there are absolutely questions of identity, both for humans and for artificially intelligent machines.

Re: Ghost in the Shell Original Soundtrack mystery

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Post by firasd »

choxi wrote: post #28
firasd wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have some sympathy for Paramount in this. First the social-​justice types went after them for not casting an Asian lead, then the critic reviews were unkind, then it really under-performed at the box office, and now people are upset about the music not being released… Some marketing exec over there is probably like “I don’t want to hear about GITS anymore, ever!”

I'm not a social-justice type, but I did choose to not see this movie for casting a caucasian actress as the lead. It's not quite as egregious as the Bruce Lee biopic where the protagonist isn't Bruce Lee [1], but I still believe GITS supports Hollywood's overall whitewashing problem. It might be hard for someone non-Asian to appreciate what it's like growing up without a single Asian role model in Hollywood (I'm not…

Absolutely, I understand. I didn't mean to be dismissive about the casting issue.
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