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How Australia Bungled Its $36B High-Speed Internet Rollout

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The NBN is a tale of geography. If you live in the CBD mainland capital city you will get good coverage. Even that it's patchy. If you live more than 30km out access get mostly worse. If you live in the bush, the best you'll get is crappy satellite or your own jury rigged antenna to the nearest town. If you were lucky enough to a) live close to the city b) have telephone poles c) live near a telephone exchange and we…

> a) live close to the city b) have telephone poles c) live near a telephone exchange and were chosen by Telstra to get FTTN before the change of government you can get 100Mb+ access. I check all those points but no NBN for me :(

I feel your pain, the rollout was interesting. Wonder if the NBN rollout in Melbourne related to electorates?

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The NBN is a tale of geography. If you live in the CBD mainland capital city you will get good coverage. Even that it's patchy. If you live more than 30km out access get mostly worse. If you live in the bush, the best you'll get is crappy satellite or your own jury rigged antenna to the nearest town. If you were lucky enough to a) live close to the city b) have telephone poles c) live near a telephone exchange and we…

I was pleasantly surprised my place had FTTN (100/50 I think I can get if needed). Absolute boondocks of Tassie, mostly agricultural/tradesfolk I'd guess. Seems odd but I'm glad they did.

"Absolute boondocks of Tassie, mostly agricultural/tradesfolk I'd guess. Seems odd but I'm glad they did."

Glad someone gets access. Start a software company in the bush.

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Aaand now I'm even more depressed and kind of infuriated. I'm just looking for personal-use Internet, and I wanted to join all the cool people with their 1Gbps for $40/mo or whatever they have. I don't even need a guaranteed SLA, I'm fine with consumer-grade "fair share" bandwidth QoS and stuff. Seems to me that the NBN Co is merely a sort of centralized rebranding that doesn't really create a competitive advantage.…

Politics is the answer with regards to communications. I suspect that may also be the case for other technology in Australia. The only reason Australia needed a NBN was because of the sale of Telstra as a vertically integrated monopoly. It should have been split from the start into wholesale and retail as happened in New Zealand. Apparently they were starting to roll out fibre when the sale was announced. It was poli…

This issue seems to occur all over the world where you have fixed terms in politics and politicians who lack the guts to do what is right because they only need to do enough to get re-elected and long term plans are off the table

I thought Australia doesn't have fixed terms federally?

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Currently I pay AUD$79 per month for the privilege of 1.4mbp/s down and 100kp/s up. My area is slated for the NBN, albiet HFC (using old coaxial) to commence building in 2019. Bloody bonza, mate.

I feel your pain as I pay about the same for 1.1mbps down. I can't get any faster speeds (I checked when I worked for Internode) and speed drops whenever it rains.

I once tried to follow the Udacity course on Tensorflow, but could not download a 10GB that was needed for one of the exercises. Download kept failing and restarting and eventually I killed it after 8 days. Utterly shameful.

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Internode's sort of okay still. TPG routes are slower though. I have unlimited FTTP NBN, static IPv4 and a v6 /56 for $110 a month.

Man, that's pretty nice. Looking at the TPG plan page I'm guessing that's at 100/40? What's bandwidth contention like? I know TPG cop a bit of flak on whirlpool, but for the 2 or so years I had ADSL with them I never had a problem... When you say v6 /56, does that mean you can have 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 addressable hosts? [I don't CIDR gud...]

Ive got TPG FTTB, 100/50 that actually runs at 100/100, which is awesome. I had their ADSL2, that ran at 23 down. Of course I live in the middle of Brisanes tech hub (ish), so I'm lucky.

"Whingepool" have their nickname for a reason ;)

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Sorry, the company doesn't exist anymore. Our marketing didn't focus on the self install angle for residences, but it did for business. In either case, it's logically no different from hiring any worker to do it. Basically our pitch was, you can reduce the install cost to whatever the minimum wage is. Deploying the physical topology of an NBN can be designed to require 100% unskilled labor. Maybe the problem was that…

Ahh, that's fairly different to regular punters doing it themselves. If you pitched it as a self install method vs a cheaper way for contractors to do fibre installs (the #1 reason the Libs gave for the MtM), I can see why people were confused.

Yeah well :) Billion dollar projects like the NBN are like these huge huge conquests for the big corporates involved. It's hard for startups to compete with all the resources, salesmanship, box seats at the footy and other wining and dining that goes on behind the scenes to win the bid. All up, I'm relatively happy with the experience, we built and pitched a high quality product, built it very fast, and got out fast. As fails go, I'm very happy overall with how it was executed. The bet had a very nice risk / reward ratio had we been successful.

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Thanks, what an intriguing level of detail to draw from the cartoon, I have to admit I never read even the slightest amount of that from it. To me the cartoon is staggeringly racist. Clearly, deliberately, outrageously racist. And I am deliberate in my use of the words "deliberate" and "outrageous" because personally I believe in Australia that the proprietor of this particular newspaper makes his money by manufactur…

> Thanks, what an intriguing level of detail to draw from the cartoon, I have to admit I never read even the slightest amount of that from it. When I saw the cartoon I thought it was clearly political satire. When have political cartoons not been heavily dependent on context and difficult to understand if you weren't familiar with what had been happening during the week? I've heard/read a fair amount of support for a…

Satire would suggest humour? Like you I've read all sorts of discussion of the cartoon, not once have I heard it described as funny. Perhaps I'm reading the wrong articles. What is satire that is not funny, crap satire?

I was familiar with the affairs of the week, I just didn't read the precision of the OP because I don't think the cartoon was clever. As noted, I thought it was deliberately provocative, outrageous, and deeply, deeply racist.

I find the Australian commentariat interesting:

> So I guess the cartoon was a failure; it used racist, racial stereotypes and no positive outcome came from it.

We agree, the cartoon is racist. So why all the circumlocution around the central point? Is it because it raises uncomfortable questions about Australian culture? Is it really appropriate for your Prime Minister to, of his own volition, choose to exalt a cartoon that includes racist, racial stereotypes?

I expect the OP is a reasonable person, and I suspect I won't ever receive a response to "How would you make that cartoon racist?", because literally every ham-fisted racist trope has already been applied. There's nothing subtle about it.

I'll posit this. That cartoon would never have been printed in The Times of London, The New York Times, or The New Zealand Herald. If it had been we wouldn't collectively expend one iota of the discussion required in Australia to ascertain that, yes, it is racist. It's not really a question that requires much inspection, but here we are.

I'll accept our British, Kiwi, and American friends if they choose to contradict me on that.

And yes, the NBN is a disaster. We're in agreement again.

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In the UK we mostly have FTTC and copper to our property. I'm in London admittedly, but I get 220Mbps/20Mpbs solidly, so copper isn't all bad if you have fibre running to a cabinet that's close to you.

Up in Hull they went FTTP instead FTTC, I can have gig internet at home, they finally did something right, its not cheap but it's not expensive for what it is either.

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>Seriously it is time for a citizens revolution. We need to take the country back from these idiots. Couldn't agree more. I've yet to meet a single fellow Aussie that has anything but disdain for politicians from any party. Labor, Liberal, Greens, One Nation doesn't seem to matter, they're all a pack of self serving con artists, and unless the major political parties take a serious look at themselves over the next fe…

Can I suggest that if all the politicians seem to be bad, the problem might be located somewhere else? Namely the Murdoch-dominated media? He's been bad enough in the UK, but it seems like he has even more control in Australia.

>but it seems like he has even more control in Australia

He started out here, no surprise that his stuff dominates.

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If you posed the question "Who in the world would be the worst possible person to decide on how to construct a nationwide high speed computer network?", the you might come up with a list that included Tony Abbott. I genuinely believe that Tony Abbott really didn't even understand what purpose the Internet serves, apart from email and playing games - he saw it as some sort of frivolous discretionary spend - definitely…

yeah nah, she'll be right mate, why don't ya have another stubbie and watch the footy.

Bloody game's finished and it's still buffering...
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