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I wonder if package maintainers will be able to use this as a way to test their packages on multiple distributions from a single test system. That would be pretty cool. I continue to be impressed with the progress the WSL team has made. The usable open source development environment on top of a kernel that can correctly drive all the various peripheral in the box is so very useful to me.
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Hey your opinion is cool and all. But there are a lot of people who put a lot of hard work into this project, because we're developers too, and we think the idea of being able to run a full linux userland on top of the NT kernel is fucking cool . This project has never been about EEE. It's not about controlling the user. It's the complete opposite. It's all about choice. I like a linux style development environment m…
> being able to run a full linux userland on top of the NT kernel is fucking cool. I could do that before with virtualbox. What kind of benefits besides slight speed increases would we see using the posix WSL? >It's not about controlling the user. It's the complete opposite. It's all about choice. If I create a prison for you, but then let you choose your cell, do you consider that a valid choice? That's what this is…
Furthermore, most of the useful parts of nix tend to come from places other than gnu-based APIs. Languages like python, for example, are nicer under nix, but use few if any gnu-isms. Web frameworks and applications by extensions are more *nix friendly, but it's a rare example that restricts itself to Linux only. Sticking with just gnu and/or linux ends up being much more of a burden than it's worth.
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Huh? MacBooks are unlikely to disappear, companies love how slowly they depreciate (and are easily sellable), while it is by far the most optimized unix system out there. Pound for pound, a MacBook will last longer while doing more than a Windows or Linux laptop, despite Microsoft's and Linus's efforts to rectify this. Why would anyone pick Windows over Debian for development if their target is a Linux boxen in a ser…
> Pound for pound, a MacBook will last longer while doing more than a Windows or Linux laptop, despite Microsoft's and Linus's efforts to rectify this. The repairable/upgradable thinkpads are probably better in this regard
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Know someone who works at Microsoft, can confirm.
I know someone who works at Microsoft (and has for 15 years.) These cartoons are brilliant--especially the org charts for different companies--but things actually are changing at Microsoft. Some divisions change faster than others. And some old reputations are very hard to shake. But Microsoft isn't the company it used to be. There are other companies filling that role now. Example: Even though all you ever hear abou…
The 90's are over.
I wonder if package maintainers will be able to use this as a way to test their packages on multiple distributions from a single test system. That would be pretty cool. I continue to be impressed with the progress the WSL team has made. The usable open source development environment on top of a kernel that can correctly drive all the various peripheral in the box is so very useful to me.
That's nothing you can't already do with VMs, and avoiding vendor lock-in.
Running on a VM means running on emulated devices, running in a Userland host means running on native devices. WSL is to windows as Wine is to Linux.
A really trivial example is the buffer cache. On a Linux kernel it will take big chunks of memory to buffer disk blocks that it has read and dirtied. When run in a VM it continues to have that behavior so for a given disk you have two sets of disk caches, one in the VM and one in the host kernel. Twice the cache with half the management smarts.
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So what phone do you carry? A Nokia flip-phone?
Really? On a discussion about a desktop OS? There are so many things going through my mind after your comment that I can't even start typing. Branch limit reached. I'm using Android and I have the same concerns about it. I gave my Lumia away because it doesn't have the apps that I need and, again, I had the same concerns. My time is limited so I have to pick my battles. Mobile is a lost cause. So I decide to give fee…
My point, exactly, is that Microsoft is just another tech company these days. They're not the Evil Empire. At best, they are one of Many Evil Fiefdoms.
I understand that people are up in arms about data collection. And I understand that Microsoft tends to bungle any kind of public messaging about data collection. I'm just pointing out that every mobile OS, at least, collects tons of data.
And do you write Microsoft with a $? :)
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> When WSL matures, any commodity laptop will be a cheap, decent quality, grab-and-go unixy dev machine Well, you know, they _already_ are. We don't have to wait for anything. And even cheaper, if you can avoid paying the windows tax ;)
Yeah, do we really want to run an open garbage fire of an OS that is known as Windows 10 for a daily driver? I know I'd get murdery if I lost all my hot corners, multi-desktop, etc cause that is what makes me productive. Other people who don't like Gnome 3 take pleasure in using i3 or AwesomeWM, which both are major steps up over Win10's UI. At this point, the Windows platform is a rotting cesspool, the devs focused…
I missed the Windows 10 free upgrade and now regretting it.
On my first attempt I agreed to a prompt to download updates to the installer; it then told me I needed to have a key to continue.
So I started again without downloading the updates, and I could install and activate without a key.
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Isn't it a bit ironic, given your concern with 90s-era Microsoft practices... ...that your comment is basically just FUD? I'm not saying your wrong! But your comment is, clearly, intended to make people feel fear, uncertainty, and doubt about Microsoft, the Windows platform, what MS may choose to do in the future, etc. And you don't have any particular factual claims to back it up (classic FUD tactic), just an appeal…
> Isn't it a bit ironic, given your concern with 90s-era Microsoft practices that your comment is basically just FUD? Apologies for not taking the time to sit down and list all the ways MS has been bad for the FOSS world and the user. For someone who references the halloween documents and the hn userbase in general I think most of this should be mostly obvious and not need specific hand-holding. As for your accusatio…
By what definition? FUD is literally just the words "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt." Nothing about those words requires the thing being referred to to be false or disinformation.
Less pedantically, propaganda/astroturfing doesn't need to be a lie or an exaggeration or anything of the sort, to serve its purpose. You get just as much of an effect from selectively highlighting some true facts while downplaying others.
The irony the parent is referring to is that you are highlighting some facts about Microsoft [which support the story you wish to tell] while downplaying others [which do not], and so your comment serves as effective anti-Microsoft propaganda (i.e. "FUD") whether or not every statement in it is true.
> As for what power, I don't know how you can be serious and ask such a question.
Likely because—at least if they live in SV—it's almost assuredly true that almost nobody the parent knows uses Microsoft products any more. They have no cultural power, in the sense of having control of cultural influencers. They might still have a large foothold in the enterprise, but—unless there is a massive resurgence—that foothold will die exactly one generation of IT people from now, when nobody of the new generation will have bothered to learn the Windows stack.
> We have, for years at that. See above gnu.org link for a start.
You are not debating charitably here. There is a difference—and you know it—between "what you fear" in a general, ideological sense; and immediate fears of what can and is likely to happen given the current landscape.
The parent poster is asking the latter: what about the current Microsoft—without reference to history, without knowledge of history—do you fear?
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> When WSL matures, any commodity laptop will be a cheap, decent quality, grab-and-go unixy dev machine Well, you know, they _already_ are. We don't have to wait for anything. And even cheaper, if you can avoid paying the windows tax ;)
Yeah, do we really want to run an open garbage fire of an OS that is known as Windows 10 for a daily driver? I know I'd get murdery if I lost all my hot corners, multi-desktop, etc cause that is what makes me productive. Other people who don't like Gnome 3 take pleasure in using i3 or AwesomeWM, which both are major steps up over Win10's UI. At this point, the Windows platform is a rotting cesspool, the devs focused…