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New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

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Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#31

how does this handle SELinux on Fedora? Is SELinux below the userland, so it doesn't factor in at all?

Right, the WSL still uses the Windows kernel, so anything at that level (filesystem permissions etc) will be handled either by the kernel or by the "pico provider" syscall translators.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#32

They can do this all they want but no amount of linux in windows is going to get me back to using it on my main home desktop. I have no choice at work (an all MS stack: c# and sqlserver) but yeah I'll just stick to VMs, docker, or linux on bare-metal. I get the latest kernels, the ability to run anything in the nix ecosystem without arbitrary drawbacks. *Arbitrary is harsh, they did a lot of heavy lifting to get Wind…

I didn't realize staying on the bleeding edge kernels was such a performance boost, that it's worth shying away from an entire ecosystem. It sounds a bit elitist.

Alternatively, when I use Windows now I'll get both PowerShell and a full Unix environment. For my development work so far, none of those arbitrary drawbacks have stopped WSFL from being a champ. On the plus side, I don't constantly have to edit configuration files after every update because my wireless card/window manager/etc broke.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#33
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Microsoft is so frustrating. On the one hand, they really seem earnest about wanting to make Windows 10 appealing to people like me who fled Windows for Unix-alike systems long ago. And steps like this show that they're not just addressing that at a shallow level, but are willing to dig deep to make it happen, which is sincerely encouraging. But then on the other hand, they insist on loading Windows 10 up with privac…

I'm not saying it's not true but I am yet to see any advertisement in my Windows 10 anywhere... even Explorer! Anyone else?

They don't necessarily make it easy to turn off all the weird ad-type-stuff, but they don't make it impossible either. A quick tour through settings on install can get rid of it all.

There is still one absolutely heinous crime though - your system comes preinstalled with Minecraft and Candy Crush (and a couple other bullshit softares), and if you uninstall them, Windows 10 will automatically reinstall them. You have to do esoteric shit in the registry editor to disable this. It infuriates me.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#34
post #8

Microsoft is so frustrating. On the one hand, they really seem earnest about wanting to make Windows 10 appealing to people like me who fled Windows for Unix-alike systems long ago. And steps like this show that they're not just addressing that at a shallow level, but are willing to dig deep to make it happen, which is sincerely encouraging. But then on the other hand, they insist on loading Windows 10 up with privac…

I'm not saying it's not true but I am yet to see any advertisement in my Windows 10 anywhere... even Explorer! Anyone else?

I formatted a few weeks ago. After installing Chrome and opening it, a popover appeared over the Edge icon in my toolbar explaining how much faster it is. I've also seen a few OneDrive ads.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#35
Anybody manage to make their Bash/WSL actually look good? I've got it just running in, what, cmd I guess? I don't know. Anyway it's fuckugly. I had to just set all the fonts to white on a black background because otherwise the returns from npm installs and git status and stuff would be unreadable deep blue.

Don't get me wrong, I love using it, but it doesn't beat the aesthetics of a terminal on a mac or a nicely configured ubuntu terminal.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#36

They can do this all they want but no amount of linux in windows is going to get me back to using it on my main home desktop. I have no choice at work (an all MS stack: c# and sqlserver) but yeah I'll just stick to VMs, docker, or linux on bare-metal. I get the latest kernels, the ability to run anything in the nix ecosystem without arbitrary drawbacks. *Arbitrary is harsh, they did a lot of heavy lifting to get Wind…

I didn't realize staying on the bleeding edge kernels was such a performance boost, that it's worth shying away from an entire ecosystem. It sounds a bit elitist. Alternatively, when I use Windows now I'll get both PowerShell and a full Unix environment. For my development work so far, none of those arbitrary drawbacks have stopped WSFL from being a champ. On the plus side, I don't constantly have to edit configurati…

The win 10 experience for me has been such a disappointment between the privacy concerns and the overall UI I'd much rather not bother. To each their own, though.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#37

Microsoft is so frustrating. On the one hand, they really seem earnest about wanting to make Windows 10 appealing to people like me who fled Windows for Unix-alike systems long ago. And steps like this show that they're not just addressing that at a shallow level, but are willing to dig deep to make it happen, which is sincerely encouraging. But then on the other hand, they insist on loading Windows 10 up with privac…

Since everything and everyone is collecting user data, it would be fair to leave the starter/home/"cloud" editions as it is.

But damn, if I'm going to pay for my OS I want ZERO data collection and the option to never use stuff like Cortana (opt-in). And if that's too much to ask, why don't they release a more expensive Windows 10 Tinfoil Edition? You would still have to trust MS but at least you would have the legal right to dispute it (if they decide to do something shady).

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#38
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying it's not true but I am yet to see any advertisement in my Windows 10 anywhere... even Explorer! Anyone else?

It's all in the settings. I never had ads or privacy problems, but if you leave everything at the default settings, you'll have those problems

I agree that it's all in the settings, but I also had to turn off Cortana making suggestions in 3 different spots.

MS definitely didn't make it easy to get it to stop harassing you.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#39
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying it's not true but I am yet to see any advertisement in my Windows 10 anywhere... even Explorer! Anyone else?

I think people have a bit of a popular misconception about the Explorer advertising thing. What's happening is that MS is adding a banner to Explorer advertising paid OneDrive subscriptions. I totally agree that it's massively inappropriate, but I do think that most people are imagining third-party advertising which is not what's happening - a lot of people might not consider the current situation to be an "ad" neces…

As-is, I don't think it's a big deal. This is a slippery slope though. Look at what cable television has become. You pay for the product and they shove advertisements down your throat. Satellite radio is doing the same thing.

Re: New Distros Coming to Bash/WSL via Windows Store

#40

They can do this all they want but no amount of linux in windows is going to get me back to using it on my main home desktop. I have no choice at work (an all MS stack: c# and sqlserver) but yeah I'll just stick to VMs, docker, or linux on bare-metal. I get the latest kernels, the ability to run anything in the nix ecosystem without arbitrary drawbacks. *Arbitrary is harsh, they did a lot of heavy lifting to get Wind…

I didn't realize staying on the bleeding edge kernels was such a performance boost, that it's worth shying away from an entire ecosystem. It sounds a bit elitist. Alternatively, when I use Windows now I'll get both PowerShell and a full Unix environment. For my development work so far, none of those arbitrary drawbacks have stopped WSFL from being a champ. On the plus side, I don't constantly have to edit configurati…

For me, it's the opposite: I don't want to be on the bleeding edge of forced windows updates, so I'll run a linux system and VM an older-but-still-compatible windows system where I can keep the environment stable without worrying about security updates (due to it being in a sandbox). I realize this doesn't fit everyone's use case, but wanted to offer an additional perspective.
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