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Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by bryanlarsen »

microtonal wrote: post #84
bryanlarsen wrote: post #77

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I'd be very surprised if Ubuntu's revenue wasn't increasing at a much higher rate than Red Hat's.

Interesting question. Some data points that I could find. Canonical: 2009: ~30M, 2013: 65.7M, 2016: 103.3M Red Hat: 2013: ~1.4B, 2015: ~1.8B, 2016: ~2.1B, 2017: 2.4B Consequently: Canonical 2013-2016: ~1.57x, Red Hat 2013-2016: 1.71x. So, their revenue seems to be increasing at a slower rate and Red Hat's revenue is almost twentyfold that of Canonical. Moreover, Red Hat is operating on a quite large profit, while Can…

Thanks, the last Canonical revenue figures I could find were the 2013 ones.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by mixmastamyk »

Too bad he talks about unity for half the article, which I never liked much and rarely used. It had a lot of promise but snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Didn't support the windows key or hot corner for opening the menu. Oh and hid menus by default.

More generally I'm not a fan of the war on menus across desktops, which are useful as a table of contents. Let them and title bars take less room on widescreen monitors, but don't cripple them.

Using MATE on 4k screens and happy. Still can't give up the clock/calendar with day/night map and timezones from gnome2. Could someone port that forward?, it's awesome. Advanced menu supports win key and type to filter.

He mentions the kernel with one sentence about kaby lake support, which was helpful to know, just got a new laptop. How are systemd and wayland coming along? Any other improvements under the hood?

Was very happy Python 3.6 was made easily available, when will it be the default 3.x? Cheers.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by ashark »

ac29 wrote: post #99
ashark wrote: post #76

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OK, so it's not just me. I installed 17.04 over Win10 on my desktop a couple weeks ago—my first time making a serious go of Linux on the desktop since whenever Ubuntu wasted a ton of my time with their half-baked PulseAudio "upgrade", which was a long time ago at this point—and started with KDE (I know from some dabbling that I hate Unity), but was hitting application crashes and long busy-cursor issues at a rate of…

>Still no cure for awful tearing every time I scroll in FireFox :-/ What GPU are you using? There are various ways to fix this, depending on GPU/driver. I'd suggest looking in the Arch Wiki, even if you are using Ubuntu.

Nvidia gtx 1050, official drivers. Steam games are fine, and everything else seems to be fine, but Firefox scrolling looks like something from the Win95 era.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by [deleted] »

matt4077 wrote: post #100
addicted wrote: post #50

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Apple's user base is one that wants Apple to do all their thinking for them as far as computer decisions are concerned. Often this may lead to sub optimal solutions for them, but they are ok with this because the overall lack of worry with Apple products, and the fact that they have a good track record of making good decisions, still leaves them ahead in the net (this may be changing with pro Macs though). Linux user…

Let me rephrase it in less condescending terms (or, more accurately, /different/ condescending terms): Apple users want to get shit done, instead of compiling custom kernels to fix font rendering issues when using Wifi while headphones are plugged in. "Pro user" means, for Apple, s/o using a computer to create something. It is not someone who's a professional at using computers, i. e. constantly optimising their 20+…

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Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

matt4077 wrote: post #100
addicted wrote: post #50

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Apple's user base is one that wants Apple to do all their thinking for them as far as computer decisions are concerned. Often this may lead to sub optimal solutions for them, but they are ok with this because the overall lack of worry with Apple products, and the fact that they have a good track record of making good decisions, still leaves them ahead in the net (this may be changing with pro Macs though). Linux user…

Let me rephrase it in less condescending terms (or, more accurately, /different/ condescending terms): Apple users want to get shit done, instead of compiling custom kernels to fix font rendering issues when using Wifi while headphones are plugged in. "Pro user" means, for Apple, s/o using a computer to create something. It is not someone who's a professional at using computers, i. e. constantly optimising their 20+…

I think both groups want to get shit done. It's more a question of what each group can tolerate. Apple users can tolerate a lack of choice. Linux users can tolerate a constant struggle with flaky device drivers.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by atonse »

matt4077 wrote: post #100
addicted wrote: post #50

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Apple's user base is one that wants Apple to do all their thinking for them as far as computer decisions are concerned. Often this may lead to sub optimal solutions for them, but they are ok with this because the overall lack of worry with Apple products, and the fact that they have a good track record of making good decisions, still leaves them ahead in the net (this may be changing with pro Macs though). Linux user…

Let me rephrase it in less condescending terms (or, more accurately, /different/ condescending terms): Apple users want to get shit done, instead of compiling custom kernels to fix font rendering issues when using Wifi while headphones are plugged in. "Pro user" means, for Apple, s/o using a computer to create something. It is not someone who's a professional at using computers, i. e. constantly optimising their 20+…

Agreed here. I have compiled probably a half dozen linux kernels in the last 15 years, and especially in college, tried many flavors of linux. So I've historically not been intimidated by tinkering.

But now that I have a career that relies on getting stuff done, and don't have time to play with kernel modules and window managers just to get my computer running in a stable way. I have zero patience with the clusterf*ck that seems to still be the Linux desktop.

I mean, look at this thread itself. When I see I hear all kinds of things like Wayland, Xwfm4, Compton, Unity, Gnome (the only one I recognize), multi monitor issues, tearing? Who has the time these days to deal with all that, unless it's part of their jobs, they're curious college kids, or they're kernel hackers?

I mean, geez, it's 2017. Apple (and MS to an extent) figured these issues out for the most part more than a decade ago. Yea yea I get it, drivers, blah blah. But I simply don't have time anymore to futz with this stuff. I have to get things done and need a reliable machine. And my clients don't pay me to fiddle with my kernel to get nice animations.

It's the same reason I don't build a Hackintosh, although I'm really tempted. SO this isn't an "I love apple" type thing – it's an "I want to get work done and not stare at a boot loader" thing.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by lobo_tuerto »

3pt14159 wrote: post #3

> While speed may be the single most important element of a UI, there is plenty about GNOME that is going to disappoint Unity users. The biggest gripe I have is keyboard shortcuts. Unity had them in spades. For as graphical as Unity is/was, it was also very easy to drive without taking your hands off the keyboard. GNOME lacks that level of shortcuts. Can we please fix this before the convergence? Muscle memory and Li…

I replaced Unity with i3 and have been living happily ever after.

https://i3wm.org/

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by VA3FXP »

esrauch wrote: post #14
reacweb wrote: post #7

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what are all those shortcuts ? AFAIK, you can customize gnome easily.

The one big one for me is Super+number to jump to a window (super+3 to switch to the third window on the toolbar). Both Windows and Unity support this, but there's no way to get it on most other linux DEs (with Cinnamon there are plugins but they are really buggy). Not sure about gnome though. https://askubuntu.com/questions/813262/which-desktop-environ...

This is default behaviour in i3.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by mangodrunk »

atonse wrote: post #106
matt4077 wrote: post #100

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Let me rephrase it in less condescending terms (or, more accurately, /different/ condescending terms): Apple users want to get shit done, instead of compiling custom kernels to fix font rendering issues when using Wifi while headphones are plugged in. "Pro user" means, for Apple, s/o using a computer to create something. It is not someone who's a professional at using computers, i. e. constantly optimising their 20+…

Agreed here. I have compiled probably a half dozen linux kernels in the last 15 years, and especially in college, tried many flavors of linux. So I've historically not been intimidated by tinkering. But now that I have a career that relies on getting stuff done, and don't have time to play with kernel modules and window managers just to get my computer running in a stable way. I have zero patience with the clusterf*c…

That may be your experience, but it's not mine. I've been using Ubuntu since 2006 or so and I have never had to do the things you mentioned or had any issues. I don't even know how to mess with kernel modules or window managers.

My experience with Apple has been far from "Getting things done". Just to name a few issues:

* I had a screen saver (one of the stock ones) turned on and it would cause my fan to go crazy

* It still doesn't always sleep, I sometimes find it running low on battery in the morning because an application woke it up

* I have had to use the Apple store which requires a phone number, credit card, etc to just get XCode

* Maximize doesn't seem to always work

* I can't keep a window always on the top

* Changing the password for wifi sucks

* If I change my system password, for some reason I always get these annoying and constant popups saying that so-and-so wants access to something, which only works on the old password

* Copying and pasting does weird stuff, adds in a bunch of crap that I don't want often

* Updating my OS takes forever and does whatever it wants without giving me much insight into what is going on

* Unlocking my computer takes a long time

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by tdb7893 »

reacweb wrote: post #94
unethical_ban wrote: post #53

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3pt14159 put it well: There are more than a dozen really useful keyboard shortcuts for UI management, and tiling your windows. I mean, it's powerful - maybe one of the most standout features of Unity. You know what is really the icing on it? Hold down the "Super" key, and you get a menu showing all the UI keyboard shortcuts. It's a quick modal - no Alt-F1 help dialogs to navigate and close; no link to a website; a ha…

In 2013, when I have first chosen gnome, it was to replace the PC of my old parents. I have contributed to a gnome extension (translated in french) https://bitbucket.org/LukasKnuth/backslide to make it looks like their previous computer on windows XP. AFAIK, ubuntu gnome is very stripped down by default, but it is easy to tailor to fit many needs. The extensions are often written in javascript.

I don't want to have to have a bunch of extensions to make my OS work. It's especially troubling because Linux is the first Linux OS most people try
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