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Just out of curiosity, what kinds of things can a startup do to avoid being copied and killed out of the gate by Facebook? Poison pill? Patent?
You make "it's not Facebook" a key part of your value proposition. This was the case for Snap early on, and I believe it's a big part of the reason why they got so far. Their users needed a social network separate from their parents, and they had been trained to fear long-term memory upon which Facebook had built their product and their business model. WhatsApp was also successful in warding off FB Messenger's effort…
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> Facebook's overt effort to clone their product I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else absolutely hates this new stories thing Facebook is pinching from Snapchat. Every damn time I pull down (Messenger on iOS) to reload the conversation list I end up at the damn camera. That's not how literally every other app works. Now Facebook (iOS app) has updated and it feels like whenever I accidentally drag my thumb slig…
I don't think I've had a single friend use a Facebook story ever
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> According to the report, Instagram Stories has more than 200 million users per day, with that number being measured by people updating their story or watching a friend's. I wonder what the number would be if those who only watched stories were excluded. Its also worth considering that Instagram delivers some of their announcements as stories and whether or not people viewing those also count towards the active user…
This is very important. I watch Instagram and Snapchat stories every day. Instagram is 2 or 3 celebrity stories, then I scroll down to look at a few new pics. Snapchat is a constant stream of glimpses into the lives of my close friends. edit: I'm curious if this is true only for my friend groups/demographic/principal component, poll here: http://www.strawpoll.me/12939274
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#254Some quick highlights as to why the stock is being punished. > Adjusted Ebitda Loss $188.2M, Est. Loss $176.9M > 1Q Daily Active Users 166M, Est. 168M > 1Q Rev. $149.6M, Est. $158.6M > 1Q Loss/Shr $2.31 I'm guessing the big issue is the miss on Daily active users. This is the same thing that caused the street ot hammer twitter. Rule of thumb for non profitable tech companies.... If you are a company that isn't making…
Employees get granted shares at any price, with the number of shares adjusted for the current price. Shares acquired before IPO can be sold for cash in 6-9 months. Shares in ongoing RSU packages can get sold in similar intervals but the main waiting game is for them to vest at all. Look at the dilution quarterly in the 10Qs, and look at the Form 3 and Form 4.
Your rule of thumb is missing the point.
Non profitable tech companies simply have to dangle a metrics carrot in front of investors as long as possible so they can keep dumping shares on investors as long as possible.
This is what Twitter is doing, Zynga, King, Snapchat (and Facebook, Google, etc. these have stronger fundamentals though). It doesn't matter if the shares are $20 or $2, the employees get granted the same monetary value of shares in each RSU package and they sell them over time.
Think of it like Dollar Cost Averaging for Dollars.
The capital markets are heavily tilted in favor of the issuer, so you have to re-align the purpose of the metrics with that in mind. "Who is benefiting from this", the issuer.
Only the executives get an EVEN BETTER parachute, if the company actually meets key metrics, but thats the only economic alignment we have and it comes from the board.
Many other times, the company and employees borrow against their shares, and get margin called when the share price goes too low too fast. This circumstance is basically the only thing that has a material affect on these companies (aside from just running out of cash altogether)
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#255I almost wonder if there's going to be a "liked it before it was cool" paradox to a lot of these social sharing startups dreams of continued user growth and eventual profitability. Facebook seems to have reached escape velocity as a quasi public utility, a ubiquitous enough communication medium that almost everyone is peer pressured into using it even though they increasing dislike it. But the other social sharing pl…
Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results
#256Some quick highlights as to why the stock is being punished. > Adjusted Ebitda Loss $188.2M, Est. Loss $176.9M > 1Q Daily Active Users 166M, Est. 168M > 1Q Rev. $149.6M, Est. $158.6M > 1Q Loss/Shr $2.31 I'm guessing the big issue is the miss on Daily active users. This is the same thing that caused the street ot hammer twitter. Rule of thumb for non profitable tech companies.... If you are a company that isn't making…
As someone who never has and likely will never use Snapchat (tried it once, didn't see the value), Snapchat has a major problem that Facebook doesn't: it can't attract older users. My parents, older relatives...everyone I know is on Facebook or Whatsapp. But they will never use Snapchat. Snapchat's users are only going to be younger. This makes them an attractive investment 10 years down the line, but not right now.
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#257Seems wildly over valued to me still. Compare to yelp even at a market cap of ~2b vs this 21b mkt cap behemoth. Yeah, time to short some Snap.
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#258But Facebook takes user experience very seriously (hence why it is so huge), and even though Facebook does so many more things than Snapchat, it's easy to use.
My retirement-age Mom uses Facebook just about daily. I'm an older millennial (who builds software UIs), and I find Snapchat baffling to use. It's such a bad UX that I can't bring myself to want to use it.
Facebook is crushing Snapchat because it's more than just features that keep users coming back on a daily basis.
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#260People keep mentioning that Facebook is taking their (few) features, but it's more than that. Snapchat has always had garbage UX, and for awhile people tried to claim this was a feature because it kept the olds off of Snapchat. But Facebook takes user experience very seriously (hence why it is so huge), and even though Facebook does so many more things than Snapchat, it's easy to use. My retirement-age Mom uses Faceb…