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Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by holtalanm »

reacweb wrote: post #4
pdog wrote: post #2

If you want to get a head start on the future of Ubuntu, check out Ubuntu GNOME[1]. It's an official distribution of Ubuntu and where it's heading. [1]: https://ubuntugnome.org/

already using ubuntu gnome since 2013 because I did not like unity. I am so glad this is becoming the main flavour of ubuntu. If I have well understood, any new installation of ubuntu should use ubuntu gnome in order to be future proof. Or am I missing something ?

or you could use almost any other flavor of ubuntu, since it is highly doubtful they will be going anywhere any time soon.

I personally prefer Lubuntu, or LXDE installed over Unity.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by evand »

This is a quick intro if you want to learn more about the mentioned snap package format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxqdf89hRo

The article somewhat erroneously equates snaps and flatpaks. While flatpak focuses on GNOME, snaps are more broadly geared to any Linux software needing transactional updates (databases, Electron apps, docker/k8s, etc).

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by esrauch »

reacweb wrote: post #7
3pt14159 wrote: post #3

> While speed may be the single most important element of a UI, there is plenty about GNOME that is going to disappoint Unity users. The biggest gripe I have is keyboard shortcuts. Unity had them in spades. For as graphical as Unity is/was, it was also very easy to drive without taking your hands off the keyboard. GNOME lacks that level of shortcuts. Can we please fix this before the convergence? Muscle memory and Li…

what are all those shortcuts ? AFAIK, you can customize gnome easily.

The one big one for me is Super+number to jump to a window (super+3 to switch to the third window on the toolbar). Both Windows and Unity support this, but there's no way to get it on most other linux DEs (with Cinnamon there are plugins but they are really buggy). Not sure about gnome though.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/813262/which-desktop-environ...

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by slitaz »

reacweb wrote: post #4
pdog wrote: post #2

If you want to get a head start on the future of Ubuntu, check out Ubuntu GNOME[1]. It's an official distribution of Ubuntu and where it's heading. [1]: https://ubuntugnome.org/

already using ubuntu gnome since 2013 because I did not like unity. I am so glad this is becoming the main flavour of ubuntu. If I have well understood, any new installation of ubuntu should use ubuntu gnome in order to be future proof. Or am I missing something ?

The majority should stick with what they have been running, even Unity which will be supported for many years as part of 16.04.

The 17.10, being the first version with Gnome Shell, will probably have rough edges for those that are used to Unity.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by ralphc »

reacweb wrote: post #7
3pt14159 wrote: post #3

> While speed may be the single most important element of a UI, there is plenty about GNOME that is going to disappoint Unity users. The biggest gripe I have is keyboard shortcuts. Unity had them in spades. For as graphical as Unity is/was, it was also very easy to drive without taking your hands off the keyboard. GNOME lacks that level of shortcuts. Can we please fix this before the convergence? Muscle memory and Li…

what are all those shortcuts ? AFAIK, you can customize gnome easily.

Alt-` cycles through the windows within one application, such as terminal or Chrome. Similar to what can be done on the Mac. I use it & hope Gnome can do the same.

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by eberkund »

pdog wrote: post #2

If you want to get a head start on the future of Ubuntu, check out Ubuntu GNOME[1]. It's an official distribution of Ubuntu and where it's heading. [1]: https://ubuntugnome.org/

Isn't that old gnome 2?

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by jamescostian »

I never understood why Canonical's attempts to be "brave" (as Apple would call it) result in Canonical pulling out, while attempts by other companies like Apple don't.

For example, Canonical made a very brave decision to switch to Unity, and now they're having to move away from Unity, which hints that there were enough users against it, and they pushed Canonical into this position (along with Canonical trying to allocate resources better).

But Apple "killed skeuomorphism" and there were tons of people complaining "MY NOTES APP WHITE INSTEAD OF YELLOW EWWW" (especially my parents), yet today they're still getting more users and they have so many on recent versions of their OSes. I supported the removal of skeuomorphism, but seeing so many around me and on the internet complain, I thought Apple would be forced to put it back everywhere. Instead, people just moved on.

When Apple makes a "pro" laptop without any USB A ports, people laugh, but then buy it. When Ubuntu makes a phone, Ubuntu regrets it. Why?

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by fleg »

evand wrote: post #12

This is a quick intro if you want to learn more about the mentioned snap package format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxqdf89hRo The article somewhat erroneously equates snaps and flatpaks. While flatpak focuses on GNOME, snaps are more broadly geared to any Linux software needing transactional updates (databases, Electron apps, docker/k8s, etc).

> flatpak focuses on GNOME

It is developed by people involved in Gnome, but it's desktop-independent. http://flatpak.org/faq.html#Is_Flatpak_tied_to_GNOME_

Re: Ubuntu 17.04 review

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Post by bwat49 »

ralphc wrote: post #16
reacweb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what are all those shortcuts ? AFAIK, you can customize gnome easily.

Alt-` cycles through the windows within one application, such as terminal or Chrome. Similar to what can be done on the Mac. I use it & hope Gnome can do the same.

afaik gnome shell does this too
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