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Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by bigbugbag »

ludjer wrote: post #163
avg_dev wrote: post #2

Well, that's disturbing. I bet we'll see much more of this in the coming days.

How is this disturbing? its just like some a public webcam that gets used to identify people. If it is in the public you have no privacy. If you want privacy go home as soon as you are out of your house you lose your privacy. I am a big voter for privacy in your home and private but out in the public your are not private anymore and therefore privacy falls away. Privacy and private kinda go hand in hand. you cant hav…

Assuming there is no privacy in public space, please tell us all the name, age, address, SSNs, CC numbers, health records, gender, buying history, sexual orientation, facial features of everyone you walked by in public space over the course of one day last week.

Now that you have failed to do that, try doing it for one day 5 years ago, a whole week, a whole month, everyday since you were born.

A public surveillance apparatus such as the one featured here who record everyone, every day, not forgetting a single thing or person.

Try thinking a bit and free yourself from the backfire effect before making claims that make you look bad.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by csmattryder »

bigbugbag wrote: post #229
csmattryder wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work on digital signage, our product isn't using facial expression recognition yet, but it has been asked and will eventually be a part of the system. What's the difference between this and an anonymised dataset? No PII is tracked, it's just looking at you and calculating what emotion you're likely feeling to show more targeted advertising. I mean, I'm personally against it but we've got to prove a higher and highe…

If you were actually against it you would not take part of making this happen. Inadvertently spill the name of the company making this and those wanting to use it to the public so they can receive their well deserved backlash.

You going to offer me another job that has comparative pay and work-time flexibility? I'll take if one's going, but right now this is my gig.

If you want to start a war, have a quick Google for the big players, they'll have this tech in and will be proudly advertising it on their site.

The thing is: People don't care. Not your HN reader (evidently), but your Joe Bloggs. Hell, Snowdon told them the Five Eyes are reading their email and they barely gave a damn.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by bigbugbag »

sbuttgereit wrote: post #13
yegle wrote: post #9

Is this new? Things like Affectiva has been out for a long time.

I was at a retail technology conference ~1998 and I remember IBM presenting their work in the area; point of sale cameras was the topic. Not as advanced as this, obviously, but industry has been thinking about ways to do automated visual analysis like this for a long time.

Can confirm, this was already a thing 20 years ago.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by deadbunny »

mattcoles wrote: post #206
samtho wrote: post #43

During 2010-2012, I was part of a startup called Clownfish Media. We basically created something very similar to this and got scary accurate results then. Given how accessible computer vision has become, the image in the tweet comes at no surprise to me. Best part - we got a first gen raspberry pi to crunch all the data locally at 2-5fps. Gender, age group (child, youth, teen, young adult, middle age, senior), and ap…

Do you feel it was ethical to work on that?

Not GP but I've worked in a similar industry.

For me I knew how our data was anonymized. So while our system would be able to say "I have seen person 1234 at locations 4,7,9,11 on dates x,y,x" we had absolutely no way of knowing who 1234 was or anything about them, even the unique identifier was just a hash.

Obviously it depends on how much data you collect/store, personally I don't think the things shown in OP are all that onerous (sex, age group, gender, rage, time spent looking at ad).

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by glubGlub »

hawski wrote: post #243
mixedbit wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was very unhappy to discover that shoes now often have RFIDs built into soles. This + anti-theft RFIDs readers that are already deployed by the entry of most stores can allow to easily assign unique ids to shoppers.

Would putting my newly bought shoes into a microwave be a good countermeasure?

Next month: new shoe regulations require the use of materials that melt or burn when microwaved.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by ffriend »

arximboldi wrote: post #249
ffriend wrote: post #208

As someone working on a similar project (specifically, emotion recognition) I'm highly interested to hear how such a product should look like to be not considered unethical. So far from the comments I see that: - it should be made clear that you are being analyzed e.g. by big yellow sticker near the camera - no raw data should be stored - it should be used to collect statistics, not identify individuals (?) Is it suf…

The only ethical possibility in my view is for it to not exist. I don't like having my emotions manipulated to make me buy more stuff, regardless of whether I am anonymized or not. But then again, I think similarly of a lot of the non-targeted advertising; the recognition just add whole new level of disgusting.

> I don't like having my emotions manipulated

What about collecting statistics to make better decisions? Let's say, you go to your favorite jeans store, but find out that current collection is disgusting. Does it sound ok for you if some sort of system would analyze your attitude to the product to improve it in later versions?

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by glubGlub »

paulcole wrote: post #75
joshrotenberg wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now your employer can monitor your facial expressions to determine if you are actually working or just reading HN.

The future is here: "WorkSmart can track workers' keystroke activity and take webcam images to ensure they're doing their jobs." http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2017/05/j...

I am ready to commit suicide now. Please strap the explosives vest onto me, and help me find the people that invented this abomination.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by deadbunny »

bigbugbag wrote: post #217
abalone wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ethics are simple: If you don't get opt-in consent, many subjects are going to feel violated. Even if you assure them you anonymize the data. It's not enough to put a warning next to the camera because you've already captured them at that point and it's too late. If anywhere it would need to be at the entrance to the store. But guess what? Customers HATE this stuff. The backlash and lost business is not worth it.…

If a store has a warning at the door that this happens inside, it's good because now I can avoid getting inside the store and silently hate and boycott the brand. If a store has a warning label on the device engaging in this, it's bad because it's too late for not entering the store. I'm gonna complain right now at the store manager, maybe call the cops or sue. I'll be vocal about actively hating the store, the brand…

> maybe call the cops or sue

What exactly are you going to call the cops for let alone sue for?

While I don't agree with this kind of technology you seem to be overly emotional about it which really doesn't help the issue.

Re: A crashed advertisement reveals logs of a facial recognition system

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Post by smoyer »

aiahopeful wrote: post #99
TFortunato wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried the demo. A little sad, that it sees me as 12 years older than I am, and that I apparently always look angry and disgusted! I'm going to blame it on my glasses and bushy beard, and try to look at the bright side - apparently face scanning systems aren't quite good enough to get a read on me yet. (And try not to be too sad about looking like a grumpy old man) (Anyone else with a glasses, a beard, or other non-…

I'm a 25 year old male, bald with a full beard, and it thinks I'm a 33 year old woman. At least it could tell I was happy?

and profession = circus sideshow?
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