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U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe

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A lot of comments very critical on the ban. America has intel - and good intel from a raid - that shows that ISIS has the capability and intent to hide a bomb inside laptop batteries to blow up passenger planes containing lots of people. Don’t the American people have the right to take steps to protect themselves from this?

This is a simple requirement that laptops be checked baggage and not carry on. That hardly seems draconian or extreme by any measure. I realize that this will inconvenience some people but against the very real and imminent threat of an actual discovered terrorist plans to use a laptop to blow up a plane, this seems like a very reasonable and rational step.

If certain people don’t want to visit or do business with America for that reason . . . I don’t think it’s such a terrible loss to lose dealing with people who are so self centered that they would demand that Americans risk the very real threat of deadly terrorist attacks rather than suffer the minor inconvenience of being required to check their laptops during flights.

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OK, fine, so I just won't travel to the USA anymore. I'm sure I don't want my laptop to end like my suitcase (which has been seriously damaged somewhere between the Europe and the USA airports). There are so many more interesting places in the world. If the USA doesn't want my money, I think that's not my problem.

Not only your money, maybe also your expertise, your friendship, your ideas. Maybe they don't want all that.

The USA are shooting themselves in both feet nowadays, constantly.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those percentages have outsized impact because you are emitting them very high. So while they contribute to 4% of emissions, they may as well contribute to 8% of global warming. We don't reduce emissions just because. We want to stop the climate change. We should just optimize the planes. I do hope that in 10 years batteries will be good enough for electric fan engines.

The problem with electric aircraft is a bit like a mini Tsiolkovsky rocket equation. In a conventional aircraft fuel is burnt off as it flies causing it to lighten and become more fuel efficient as it travels. With battery aircraft this doesn’t happen so you need more batteries upfront to travel the distance.

Batteries do get lighter as they discharge!

Just not by enough to matter.

Re: U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe

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post #42

A lot of comments very critical on the ban. America has intel - and good intel from a raid - that shows that ISIS has the capability and intent to hide a bomb inside laptop batteries to blow up passenger planes containing lots of people. Don’t the American people have the right to take steps to protect themselves from this? This is a simple requirement that laptops be checked baggage and not carry on. That hardly see…

Oh dear god. Stop making me cringe.

Re: U.S. To Ban Laptops in All Cabins of Flights from Europe

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those percentages have outsized impact because you are emitting them very high. So while they contribute to 4% of emissions, they may as well contribute to 8% of global warming. We don't reduce emissions just because. We want to stop the climate change. We should just optimize the planes. I do hope that in 10 years batteries will be good enough for electric fan engines.

The problem with electric aircraft is a bit like a mini Tsiolkovsky rocket equation. In a conventional aircraft fuel is burnt off as it flies causing it to lighten and become more fuel efficient as it travels. With battery aircraft this doesn’t happen so you need more batteries upfront to travel the distance.

Additionally, the energy density of batteries is nowhere near that of Jet A/A-1.

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So all the terrorists have to do is convince the USA they've figured out how to hide bombs in humans and they'll ban humans from flights.

Its the Daily Fail, but its actually got a pretty good list of some recent instances where bombs have been hidden in suicide bombers http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387332/Nightmare-te...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk with laptops in the cargo hold isn't the blast force of explosions causing a hull breach, but fires. Now any terrorist who wants to bring down a plane simply needs to rig their laptop batteries to catch on fire, which is much, much easier to do than rigging it to explode.

Looking at a youtube video of a laptop battery fire https://youtu.be/pizFsY0yjss?t=3m15s I find it hard to see that taking out the metal box http://www.eyeno.net/2007/07/15/american-airlines-paul-bunya... and then the plane.

These boxes are probably aluminium, which should be ignitable by another metal-fire.

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post #42

A lot of comments very critical on the ban. America has intel - and good intel from a raid - that shows that ISIS has the capability and intent to hide a bomb inside laptop batteries to blow up passenger planes containing lots of people. Don’t the American people have the right to take steps to protect themselves from this? This is a simple requirement that laptops be checked baggage and not carry on. That hardly see…

Oh dear god. Stop making me cringe.

So lets get this straight:

1. Discovering a terrorist plot to hide bombs inside carry on laptop batteries - and then not taking any precautions at all and allowing laptops on planes as normal: A prudent and smart thing to do.

2. Discovering a terrorist plot to hide bombs inside carry on laptop batteries - and then taking purdent, minimal precuations by asking people to deal with the minor inconvenience of checking their laptops during flights: OH DEAR GOD THIS IS SOOO STUPID IT MAKES ME CRINGE AGGG

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