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Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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"server costs" (Google Cloud) is an affordable $450 million per year commitment. They apparently have 2,360 employees doing who knows what (not growing the user base). My favorite part: "Spiegel laughed out loud when asked if he was worried about Facebook copying his features. “Just because Yahoo has a search box doesn’t mean they’re Google."" We'll check back in a year to see if he feels the same way.

$450M/year to support 160M daily actives seems insane. That's $2.81 per user per year. That's like paying $234/month in hosting alone for 1K daily actives. What is all that computing power used for?

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Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Sluggish user growth probably doesn't look much better when Facebook's overt effort to clone their product seems to be working. Instagram Stories alone already outpaces Snap 200M to 166M. Looks like an uphill battle from here. http://www.thefader.com/2017/04/14/instagram-stories-more-po...

Just out of curiosity, what kinds of things can a startup do to avoid being copied and killed out of the gate by Facebook? Poison pill? Patent?

Build a product not a feature.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Over 1000 Googlers were cranking on Google Plus, which at the time was a Facebook copy cat. What makes Facebook so threatening to Snapchat is the aggressive cloning in tandem with it's pre-existing, larger network. By the time Google decided to clone Facebook, the Facebook Graph was already more powerful than the GMail graph (which is what Google Plus was built on).

Facebook copycat? It was poor take on Facebook. Bad design, bad decisions, bad UI and bad UX. There was no vision for it, Google Plus would be much better as LinkedIn killer than Facebook killer.

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Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Top 5 companies by market cap in 2007: Petro China, Exxon, GE, China Mobile, Industrian and Commercial Bank of China Top 5 companies by market cap in 2017: Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon, Berkshire That's a hell of an illusion

It's a good point. But I'm alluding more to budding companies, not established companies. Granted Facebook didn't IPO until 2012. But, as far as I can tell the software industry has contracted into those big 5 tech firms. The siren call of working at a startup and making it is sounding strident. Knowing what you know now, what startup, if any, would you have joined 5 years ago? Would you join any startup now?

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Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Beats me. Maybe they have a warehouse full of them they can't get rid of. Maybe they can barely keep up with demand, I don't know. They're very cheap, it's a minimum viable product, but I'm expecting some next gen product from Snap somewhere down the line that may include some sort of HUD if not full on AR, based on their patents.

> Maybe they can barely keep up with demand, I don't know. Definitely not that one. The Spectacles store on the Venice Beach boardwalk is always a desolate wasteland.

I hadn't been to the Venice boardwalk in quite some time, and I didn't even know that Snap had opened up a Spectacles store there, but when I went last month I was surprised to see that on a beautiful Saturday afternoon the only store in the entire mile plus long stretch that was completely empty aside from employees was the Spectacles store.

It was actually kind of disconcerting. For anyone not familiar with the Venice boardwalk, it is jam packed with stores selling overpriced food/drinks and kitschy tourist stuff. Most of the stores are small, packed with merchandise, and overflowing with people. The Spectacles store is probably one of the larger ones square footage wise, and has very prominent frontage. I've been in the area a few times over the last month and it has always been either completely empty, or almost completely empty.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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This is very important. I watch Instagram and Snapchat stories every day. Instagram is 2 or 3 celebrity stories, then I scroll down to look at a few new pics. Snapchat is a constant stream of glimpses into the lives of my close friends. edit: I'm curious if this is true only for my friend groups/demographic/principal component, poll here: http://www.strawpoll.me/12939274

Snap calls itself the friends and family network for a reason. Instagram is a mix of celebrities, influencers, businesses, friends and family.

That's not a particularly good thing from Wall St's perspective. Snap's path to monetization runs through celebrities, influencers and businesses.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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I would most certainly buy $SNAP over every one of these companies. People don't get it. For everyone between the ages of 13 to 26, Snapchat is their only social network, their only messaging app, their go to camera! That is inherently more value that any of those companies combined.

Facebook is big, it's everywhere. That's not cool for teens. Being different is what teens want. This can backfire on snap too if there is something even "cooler". I will definitely buy some SNAP after they employees sell like crazy in desperation. I am optimistic about future value of SNAP and pessimistic about Facebook

In my area, VSCO is on the up-and-up for picture-sharing

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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This is one of the ugliest financial statements I've ever seen. The multi-billion dollar loss is due mostly to stock compensation, but still their COGS or cost of revenues sold was greater than their revenues. That's probably the first time that's been seen for a sizable software company in the history of the industry. They said their revenue per DAU is $.90 and their server costs per DAU were $.60...so that means se…

"server costs" (Google Cloud) is an affordable $450 million per year commitment. They apparently have 2,360 employees doing who knows what (not growing the user base). My favorite part: "Spiegel laughed out loud when asked if he was worried about Facebook copying his features. “Just because Yahoo has a search box doesn’t mean they’re Google."" We'll check back in a year to see if he feels the same way.

What are all those employees doing if Google is solving most of their scaling problems?

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Cash and equivalents went up by $1.3Billion - they're just stocking money in a cookie jar and declaring it as a loss? Great company for stock owners!

What do you think a public offering is for if not to raise cash? It's not like they are giving it back as a dividend, so I'm not sure what the "stock owners" are getting that is great? If the company grows, shareholders might reap some rewards. Because it is a gamble, shouldn't the shareholders profit from their belief in the company whereas most comments here decry Snap as worthless?

Please pick a side.

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