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Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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[Net Loss] primarily due to the recognition of expense related to RSUs with a performance condition satisfied on the effectiveness of the registration statement for our initial public offering.

This reads like they gave out $2 BILLION in RSU's that vested if the company went public. That is a pretty sweet payday.

EDIT: It is a sweet payday unless you can't sell the stock to pay the taxes owed right away. Then if SNAP tanks you have a HUGE tax bill and no way to pay it.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

#112

It still seems overvalued. What would you rather own? Snapchat -- which, after dropping 23% today has a market cap of 21.5B. Or ALL of... Yelp - 2.21B GoPro - 1.21B FitBit - 1.38B Groupon - 2.01B Twitter - 13.59B Sonic - 1.27B ...for a total of 21.67B

I would most certainly buy $SNAP over every one of these companies. People don't get it. For everyone between the ages of 13 to 26, Snapchat is their only social network, their only messaging app, their go to camera! That is inherently more value that any of those companies combined.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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>Facebook has 18 percent increase year over year. They have ~2B users. That's nearly 2/3 of people on the planet with Internet connections, according to estimates by the ITU (approx 3B internet users by the end of 2016) [0]. Even if I believed that user figure, which I dont, there is no way Facebook can grow at the same rate for much longer. [0] http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-D/Statistics/Documents/facts/ICTFa...

I don't know anything about this overall, but I have some interesting anecdotes that show the power of Facebook around the world. I've done some pretty substantial traveling throughout Asia, and just about everyone with a smartphone that I've met also has a Facebook account (excluding China). In Myanmar (aka Burma) the strict military government restricted internet usage until they turned over control of the governme…

>I explained what Google can help with: searching for information, reading news, etc. He showed me that he read news and did searches for things all from within the Facebook app.

This is the most frightening thing I've read in a while.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Yes. They have your attention and they can do things to slowly nudge you to start engaging in deeper ways. For example your daughter grows up and is used to the "Snap-like" interaction already and will engage far more on Snapchat or similar products. Or maybe she one day finds the "Discover" section of the app and starts watching content on there. The fact that they have you and your daughter engaging with the produc…

Nope. This sounds very SV-ish and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. I am not a Snap user period. To count my daughter as a user is just plain sad from an investment point of view. She is not going to have a job for 9 years minimum. That means I control the purse strings. Sanp is like those games that have a gajillion users and then simply die as no one plays them anymore.

If you buy a newspaper only to let your dog pee on it, are you a user of the newspaper? Just because you (or your child) don't use the product in the way it was intended doesn't mean you're not a user as far as the provider is concerned.

(And the fact that there was a monetary transaction for the paper is not unlike going through the pains of downloading and installing an app on your phone.)

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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I've been spending way too much time on the finance boards so I can't tell if this is sarcasm - because it would be in many other places

Curious: what / where are go-to finance boards?

/r/wallstreetbets

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Top 5 companies by market cap in 2007: Petro China, Exxon, GE, China Mobile, Industrian and Commercial Bank of China Top 5 companies by market cap in 2017: Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon, Berkshire That's a hell of an illusion

It's a good point. But I'm alluding more to budding companies, not established companies. Granted Facebook didn't IPO until 2012. But, as far as I can tell the software industry has contracted into those big 5 tech firms. The siren call of working at a startup and making it is sounding strident. Knowing what you know now, what startup, if any, would you have joined 5 years ago? Would you join any startup now?

Not everyone joins a start-up to make millions. Some will join just to make a living. There are plenty of startups that can provide a living for a few people with the potential for a bit of nest egg later on. That and the sense of involvement/freedom can be more attractive than a job at big co

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Is that a significant amount?

Beats me. Maybe they have a warehouse full of them they can't get rid of. Maybe they can barely keep up with demand, I don't know. They're very cheap, it's a minimum viable product, but I'm expecting some next gen product from Snap somewhere down the line that may include some sort of HUD if not full on AR, based on their patents.

>Maybe they can barely keep up with demand, I don't know.

Definitely not that one. The Spectacles store on the Venice Beach boardwalk is always a desolate wasteland.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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Yes. They have your attention and they can do things to slowly nudge you to start engaging in deeper ways. For example your daughter grows up and is used to the "Snap-like" interaction already and will engage far more on Snapchat or similar products. Or maybe she one day finds the "Discover" section of the app and starts watching content on there. The fact that they have you and your daughter engaging with the produc…

Nope. This sounds very SV-ish and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. I am not a Snap user period. To count my daughter as a user is just plain sad from an investment point of view. She is not going to have a job for 9 years minimum. That means I control the purse strings. Sanp is like those games that have a gajillion users and then simply die as no one plays them anymore.

Have you worked in consumer tech or marketing before? I think you're severely discounting your usage of the product and what that means for the company. The reality is that usage and engagement are completely different metrics. And even in the engagement category there are a whole suite of metrics for "depth of engagement".

That means roughly this:

* It's a funnel (one that is heavily tracked)

* They know how often and how deep users' engagement patterns are and how they shift over time, over different feature launches, and over the age of their users among other parameters.

* They know what it takes to get a lightly engaging user to become one that is more deeply engaging and they know the rate at which this conversion happens.

* They have cohorts of users and they know what types of users move which way through the funnel and how fast.

* Using all this data, they have at their disposal different levers to pull (growth, marketing, product) to move the numbers in the right direction.

Again, all of this doesn't mean that Snapchat will be successful in converting you or your daughter into a heavy Snapchat user today or even tomorrow. But you're painting too simple of a picture using a single high level metric and logical simplification of a process that's very complicated.

The biggest point I want to make here is that NO TWO USERS ARE THE SAME. So to use a high level metric that conflates different types of users by definition and then making an implication about the health of a company using this specific metric's weakness is just silly. There is data that you don't have access to and you're not recognizing that.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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This is one of the ugliest financial statements I've ever seen. The multi-billion dollar loss is due mostly to stock compensation, but still their COGS or cost of revenues sold was greater than their revenues. That's probably the first time that's been seen for a sizable software company in the history of the industry. They said their revenue per DAU is $.90 and their server costs per DAU were $.60...so that means se…

Does this include Spectacles? They may be losing money per unit there.

Re: Snap Inc. Reports First Quarter 2017 Results

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I wonder if they're hobbling their user growth by not having some alternative lite app. I've come to associate their app with poor performance and battery drain while Facebook apps are relatively fine, perhaps with the exception of Messenger which they're slowly releasing Messenger Lite as an alternative.

Oh, since when has Facebook apps been better? I uninstalled them when I saw how much battery they were using without me even opening them.
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