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Opera is Reborn

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Re: Opera is Reborn

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> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

> Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable... It's like everyone's forgotten what makes desktops great. There are tons [1][2][3][4] of tools you can install today that solve this problem for you. No need to wait for browser vendors to integrate everything. [1] https://mizage.com/divvy/ [2] http://magnet.crowdcafe.com [3] http://lightpilla…

Divvy is great. I was a heavy Divvy user. These days I swear by https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Money.

IIRC Opera has an agreement with Google to make it the default browser. I wonder what they have with Facebook, Baidu and Yandex. Maybe the default browser is region-based.

Very much so. Google is less dominant in many markets where Opera is strong, so the bidding between Google and the local search engines is probably tough.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Are the FB Messenger, WhatsApp, and Telegram integrations official (i.e. known by, approved by, and/or supported by their respective companies)? Asking because I can't find a reverse-shoutout to Opera on either Facebook's, WhatsApp's, or Telegram's blog. This is not altogether unusual (especially given the recency of the Opera announcement) but it still makes me curious.

I believe Opera is simply loading the webapps for these services in a web panel, so it's "official" in that it loads the official UI, but unofficial in that it's not a corporate partnership.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Hey opera folks who might be reading this - work on simplifying offline access to web content. I want to be able to maintain ~100 GB of offline data store, full text searchable. Wikipedia, stackexchange\stackoverflow, khan academy, zealdocs and whole bunch of other sources of useful browser renderable web content provide dumps of their data. And then they end up having to build spl apps and extensions and other garba…

Is this actually possible with a extension or another program? Id love that! kiwix doesnt support stackoverflow...

Kiwix does. But you have to download the dump and run a couple scripts to convert the XML to kiwix archive format (ZIM). They have a repo on github with the scripts. But Kiwix is built on top of xulrunner which is basically Firefox but not supported by Mozilla anymore. And that goes back to my original post why not just bake the offline functionality into the browser.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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post #86

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There are actually networks of unrelated apps that listen for uninstalls. I was contacted by a company wanting to add their SDK to my apps, partly for this purpose. Uninstall activity is just another thing being monitored.

So that's why there are 999 versions of 'flashlight' app. Not because everyone wanted to develop it, but because we now have the equivalent of pre-packaged bloatware/malware for the desktop, now for the phone. Thanks for chiming in. I didn't know this kind of company or business model existed, so now I will be more wary about installing seemingly benign apps. (I am not an app developer).

I was surprised myself. So much bloat and spying. I saved one of the emails I received:

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Re: Opera is Reborn

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People use Facebook in the browser because Facebook is a website that happened to have a messenger bolted on. Electron apps aren't relevant – I'm talking about the user experience, not the underlying technology. As far as the user is concerned, Slack is a standalone application.

> People use Facebook in the browser because Facebook is a website that happened to have a messenger bolted on. The point isn't why they use a browser. The point is that they do use a browser. So if they're doing it already then the idea of proper IM integration along a side panel is potentially a favourable one for a great many people. > Electron apps aren't relevant – I'm talking about the user experience, not the…

> The point isn't why they use a browser. The point is that they do use a browser.

If you ask somebody why they are using Facebook in their browser, they'll tell you that it's because that's how you use Facebook Messenger. They won't tell you that it's because they want to message and surf the web at the same time. In fact it's terrible for this – Messenger is stuck on the Facebook site, so if you navigate away, it's either hidden away in a separate tab or gone altogether.

People quite clearly don't use Facebook Messenger in a browser because they want to surf and message at the same time, which is quite clearly relevant to the questions of "why would I want this?" and "what value does this have as a product?".

> I know it's a standalone application but the relevance is down to the performance improvements you'd gain from integrating that into Opera

I don't think many people wish for better performance out of their messenger applications, certainly not enough to switch browser over, which again, makes me wonder what the market for this is.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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I don't dare to use this since Opera got bought by that Chinese consortium of companies I'm not accustomed with. Not sure if I'm overly cautious? I'm thinking of especially Opera Link (which had a recent security breach to boot!). Wouldn't that leave out my passwords to China? And I do want to use some sort of syncing, I'd go crazy without anything there or some iffy third party addon. It's not even just about a trus…

Let's say, worst-case scenario and this consortium of companies is heavily linked to the Chinese govt. So what? Why would a foreign govt care about me, a citizen in a Western country? For what purpose (other than to maybe sell me stuff)? It's for this reason I have considered using a Chinese/Russian email service rather than Gmail, at least there is a chance they won't cooperate with the local authorities if they eve…

they are more likely steal your credit card data and vacuum your bank account due to insecurity of Chinese or Russian apps compared to western apps
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