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Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by cubano »

casca wrote: post #14

TL;DR: Microsoft has introduced a new version of Windows 10 called "Windows 10 S"[1]. The big differences are that you can only install apps from the Windows Store and you can't join an on-premise domain. This walled garden approach is designed to "enhance securrty" and kill off Win32 with the convenient side-effect of allowing Microsoft to block apps from competing vendors, so you'll use Edge and not Chrome. [1] htt…

I can't for the life of me see why I would ever want such a monstrosity on my desktop...perhaps certain help-desk and locked down corporate configurations could benefit slightly from a walled-off version of Windows, but much of this is already available using Group Policies and such, so I just don't get it.

Please don't tell me they are trying to androidize the desktop, because that could possible be the most hairbrained idea MS has ever had, esp. this late in the game.

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by oceanswave »

jetti wrote: post #31
oceanswave wrote: post #5

There are a lot of issues with this article - Windows S is no more a 'new' OS than an environment running AppLocker is a new OS. The $49 'upgrade' from WinS to a 'full' Windows 10 is simply removing the restriction, it's the same OS through and through UWP doesn't explicitly require XAML as part of the stack directx and win2d provide more direct access to graphics hardware Edge is not a Native UWP application - whate…

>Edge is not a Native UWP application - whatever that means My assumption is that it is compiled with .NET Native[0]. That would explain why it is only available on Windows 10, as only Windows 10 supports .NET Native. [0] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn584397%28v=vs.110...

It's not, it's written in C++

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by oceanswave »

digi_owl wrote: post #43
oceanswave wrote: post #5

There are a lot of issues with this article - Windows S is no more a 'new' OS than an environment running AppLocker is a new OS. The $49 'upgrade' from WinS to a 'full' Windows 10 is simply removing the restriction, it's the same OS through and through UWP doesn't explicitly require XAML as part of the stack directx and win2d provide more direct access to graphics hardware Edge is not a Native UWP application - whate…

> it's possible to take existing applications and package them to run as a UWP applications, even ones that use COM and Win32. I was under the impression that this was strictly verboten. Because if this was the case, then why did Mozilla drop its efforts to UWP-ify Firefox?

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/mt5929...

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by digi_owl »

oceanswave wrote: post #63
digi_owl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's possible to take existing applications and package them to run as a UWP applications, even ones that use COM and Win32. I was under the impression that this was strictly verboten. Because if this was the case, then why did Mozilla drop its efforts to UWP-ify Firefox?

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/mt5929...

So in other words one have to wrap the Win32 code like it was UWP and attempt to push it through the store.

Yeah, that's going to become real popular...

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by jetti »

maxxxxx wrote: post #55
jetti wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That line really bothers me. I'm writing a new application in WPF (thus using Win32) and am avoiding UWP because of the fact that I want (actually need to) support older platforms. As I'm writing this software to make money and it is B2B, I can't afford to ignore Windows 7 as many businesses are still running it and many more still target it. I'm currently learning UWP as well but why would I bet my product on a tech…

My advice would be to learn Web development.

I am, I'm currently learning Elixir/Phoenix and Elm and am doing WebApi work at work. Most of the problems that I want to solve on a hobby/solo project, though, lend itself more to desktop software.

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by pjmlp »

ribfeast wrote: post #28
pjmlp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone enjoys doing web development, personally every web project I take part on feels like being in the galleys.

I've only ever done web. What's the difference in your opinion?

The web is a Frankenstein of HTML/CSS/JavaScript that is yet to match the productivity we already had in the 90's with Delphi, VB and 4GL tools.

Even now, there isn't any Web tool that allows for designing Web UIs like Microsoft Blend (XAML) or Qt Creator (QML).

The Web could have been like that if XHTML and its related standards were adopted, then we could have had something like XUL or XAML.

Instead we have the broken promise of Web Components that still aren't properly supported across all major browsers, or the "UI framework of the day" without any kind of tooling support besides code.

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by jetti »

oceanswave wrote: post #62
jetti wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Edge is not a Native UWP application - whatever that means My assumption is that it is compiled with .NET Native[0]. That would explain why it is only available on Windows 10, as only Windows 10 supports .NET Native. [0] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn584397%28v=vs.110...

It's not, it's written in C++

Well ok then, disregard my comment.

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by maxxxxx »

jetti wrote: post #65
maxxxxx wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My advice would be to learn Web development.

I am, I'm currently learning Elixir/Phoenix and Elm and am doing WebApi work at work. Most of the problems that I want to solve on a hobby/solo project, though, lend itself more to desktop software.

Cool. I have done WPF for a while and it just feels very stale. Nothing new coming, MS changing direction very 2 years. I would put everything possible on the web now. It's a much more interesting environment. And if you really need desktop for some reason, I would probably go Qt/C++ now. Or straight Win32.

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by jetti »

maxxxxx wrote: post #68
jetti wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am, I'm currently learning Elixir/Phoenix and Elm and am doing WebApi work at work. Most of the problems that I want to solve on a hobby/solo project, though, lend itself more to desktop software.

Cool. I have done WPF for a while and it just feels very stale. Nothing new coming, MS changing direction very 2 years. I would put everything possible on the web now. It's a much more interesting environment. And if you really need desktop for some reason, I would probably go Qt/C++ now. Or straight Win32.

My product depends on WIX, which in turn depends on .NET, so there was no reason not to go with .NET (I started with WinForms but then converted to WPF). Web can be interesting but I just have a harder time coming up with ideas for products than I do with desktop.

Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement

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Post by allenz »

casca wrote: post #14

TL;DR: Microsoft has introduced a new version of Windows 10 called "Windows 10 S"[1]. The big differences are that you can only install apps from the Windows Store and you can't join an on-premise domain. This walled garden approach is designed to "enhance securrty" and kill off Win32 with the convenient side-effect of allowing Microsoft to block apps from competing vendors, so you'll use Edge and not Chrome. [1] htt…

The app model is particularly aggravating since Edge is less secure than Chrome, e.g. https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/03/21/2330222/microsofts-...
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