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Opera is Reborn

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Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by thablackbull »

filchermcurr wrote: post #229
thablackbull wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I find vivaldi is not really suited for my several hundreds opened tabs navigation style yet. What is the solution you are currently using that you want them to implement? Is quick commands (F2) + typing the tab name to navigate around not sufficient on Vivaldi?

Unfortunately the quick commands window is very slow. It definitely doesn't live up to its name. I love it, though, and I truly hope performance is something they tackle soon.

This may or may not be a problem specific to your own installation though. While I don't have 100+ tabs, I've been using quick commands for everything since I started using Vivaldi without any issues - it is very snappy for me.

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Post by pwdisswordfish »

sangnoir wrote: post #180
Jedd wrote: post #150

> Social messengers completely changed our lives, by allowing us to work, discover new things and communicate at the same time. Nope. > One of its novelties is the ability to seamlessly hop between discovering new content and chatting with friends, or even share online discoveries while browsing. Happily I know no one that uses, or will use, this new version of Opera - I can imagine few things that would disrupt, ann…

> > Social messengers completely changed our lives, by allowing us to work, discover new things and communicate at the same time. > Nope. Considering how much HN loves Slack (especially when paired with working remotely), I think you and I are in the minority. Some people can chat and work at the same time, apparently.

People who don't like being distracted probably don't spend all their time on HN.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by sangnoir »

pwdisswordfish wrote: post #232
sangnoir wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > Social messengers completely changed our lives, by allowing us to work, discover new things and communicate at the same time. > Nope. Considering how much HN loves Slack (especially when paired with working remotely), I think you and I are in the minority. Some people can chat and work at the same time, apparently.

People who don't like being distracted probably don't spend all their time on HN.

There's a world of a difference between planned "distractions" (mental breaks) and random interruptions: HN even provides a handy no-procrastination timer.

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Post by pierrebeaucamp »

tnone wrote: post #189
TeMPOraL wrote: post #165

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> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

I'm on OSX and it magnetically snaps windows together as they get close. Makes it easy to divide ad hoc. As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.

> As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.

That's what Matrix is trying to address. https://matrix.org/ Try it out with https://riot.im/

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Post by ReverseCold »

eis wrote: post #216

The main driver for innovation and growth of the open web was that it is open. The diversity we got from that was tremendous. Anyone could make a website with whatever content they could think of and people all over the world could access it. There was some kind of "web neutrality" in browsers. They didn't prefer one site over the other. The second big boost came from extendability and customizability of browsers thr…

Vivaldi is a pretty good replacement for old Opera. Its based on the latest chromium (updated within a day or so of downstream updates), and has a lot of the "power user" features Opera had.

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Post by debuggerpk »

how does opera makes money now? as per my understanding, pre iOS and android era, opera dealt directly with device manufactures and sold their browser as default on them. Since andriod, how are they even making money now?

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by debuggerpk »

how does opera makes money now? as per my understanding, pre iOS and android era, opera dealt directly with device manufactures and sold their browser as default on them. Since andriod, how are they even making money now?

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Post by Double_a_92 »

mistermann wrote: post #230
AlexandrB wrote: post #219

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> Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable... It's like everyone's forgotten what makes desktops great. There are tons [1][2][3][4] of tools you can install today that solve this problem for you. No need to wait for browser vendors to integrate everything. [1] https://mizage.com/divvy/ [2] http://magnet.crowdcafe.com [3] http://lightpilla…

Recommendation? (for Windows)

The first 3 are for macOS only, so I guess the last one?

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Post by laumars »

JimDabell wrote: post #169
laumars wrote: post #161

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I'm not going to disagree with your point in principle, but pragmatically that is how a lot of people are already using messenger apps. Whether it's having Facebook open in the browser and using FB Messenger, or Electron apps like Slack that have a full instance of Chrome running just for a messenger app.

People use Facebook in the browser because Facebook is a website that happened to have a messenger bolted on. Electron apps aren't relevant – I'm talking about the user experience, not the underlying technology. As far as the user is concerned, Slack is a standalone application.

> People use Facebook in the browser because Facebook is a website that happened to have a messenger bolted on.

The point isn't why they use a browser. The point is that they do use a browser. So if they're doing it already then the idea of proper IM integration along a side panel is potentially a favourable one for a great many people.

> Electron apps aren't relevant – I'm talking about the user experience, not the underlying technology. As far as the user is concerned, Slack is a standalone application.

I know it's a standalone application but the relevance is down to the performance improvements you'd gain from integrating that into Opera (and thus sharing resources) rather than spinning up a new instance of Blink for each "application". The idea of that is quite appealing to me though sadly it looks like Slack support isn't available yet.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by devopsproject »

symmetricsaurus wrote: post #193

Ok, so I installed it to try it out. Trying to get the WhatsApp widget running it seems like I must allow access to the camera and the microphone on my computer. This is ridiculous. On mobile, this is not needed, and is maybe even fine. When the app is turned off you know it isn't listening or taking pictures. On a desktop computer there is no such guarantee. On the other hand this applies to all software I'm running…

does your camera have an LED? It is supposed to be wired up in a way that the camera cannot be powered up without also turning the led on so you know it is active.
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