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Opera is Reborn

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Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by TeMPOraL »

AlexandrB wrote: post #219
TeMPOraL wrote: post #165

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> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

> Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable... It's like everyone's forgotten what makes desktops great. There are tons [1][2][3][4] of tools you can install today that solve this problem for you. No need to wait for browser vendors to integrate everything. [1] https://mizage.com/divvy/ [2] http://magnet.crowdcafe.com [3] http://lightpilla…

Thanks for that list! I wasn't aware that this space developed. I guess Cunningham's Law is still pretty useful :).

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by jasikpark »

tnone wrote: post #189
TeMPOraL wrote: post #165

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> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

I'm on OSX and it magnetically snaps windows together as they get close. Makes it easy to divide ad hoc. As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.

I mean... there is Franz.

https://meetfranz.com

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by TeMPOraL »

AlexandrB wrote: post #220
akx wrote: post #178

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And for the latter, you have Moom, kwm, amethyst, divvy, Better(Snap|Touch)Tool, Slate, Breeze, etc.

Divvy also works on Windows. So this covers the former as well. Plus there are other options [1]. The fact that this keeps coming up makes me think that people have forgotten how customizable the desktop experience can be. Unlike iOS/Android you're not tied down to what the app designer thought a good layout is when organizing your windows. [1] http://alternativeto.net/software/divvy/?platform=windows

Things must have changed over the years. I remember that back in times of 2003 and XP, the windowing experience wasn't really that customizable; people were trying to replace explorer.exe with custom "shells", but those were always buggy and easily crashed. I guess I gave up on the whole space after that.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by d--b »

"the future of the browser" and the first 3 features mentioned are "integrated chat", "new color schemes" and "new logos". Uh?

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by filchermcurr »

bigbugbag wrote: post #185
ForHackernews wrote: post #156

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> Why would you trust Google/Apple/Firefox more? It's pretty outrageous to lump these three together. 1) Google is an advertising company that makes its money selling user data/impressions to advertisers. 2) Apple is a hardware company that makes its money selling gadgets to consumers. 3) Firefox is free/libre software produced by Mozilla, a nonprofit foundation that champions the interests of users.

Turns out firefox is a product of the for profit mozilla corporation the twin of the non profit mozilla foundation, clever way to play both sides. Then there's history that shows that firefox is mostly free software but not entirely see icecat, iceweasel, firefox pocket, talkback, etc. Then again a free license is not a guarantee of no wrongdoings. Lastly mozilla definitely not champions the interests of users, there…

That's one of the things that annoys me about Mozilla. When you complain about something that changes, they tell you you should have spoken up before it got changed. When you speak up about something that is changing, you're always the "vocal minority" and it's never going to happen. I still wake up sweaty in the middle of the night after dreams about "vocal minority" and "WONTFIX".

Also annoying is that a huge percentage of 'power users' have disabled telemetry, which screws us over when it comes time for Mozilla to pick the feature of the week to remove.

Anecdotally, I switched to Vivaldi shortly after Mozilla started removing useful features (like tab grouping) and replacing them with Pocket and Hello. I couldn't be happier and I kind of wish I had joined the Chromium bandwagon sooner.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by niftich »

Are the FB Messenger, WhatsApp, and Telegram integrations official (i.e. known by, approved by, and/or supported by their respective companies)?

Asking because I can't find a reverse-shoutout to Opera on either Facebook's, WhatsApp's, or Telegram's blog. This is not altogether unusual (especially given the recency of the Opera announcement) but it still makes me curious.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by cryptarch »

throwanem wrote: post #192
cryptarch wrote: post #142

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For me, no. Fuck all of them. I particularly hate Facebook though, for turning most everyone around me into US informants. If I see the opportunity to contribute to their obsoletion I'll dedicate years of my life to that.

You might find Urbit of interest, if you haven't looked into it before now.

The jargon grinds on me, but it does look interesting. I added to my interesting decentralized/federated protocols collection.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by filchermcurr »

thablackbull wrote: post #218
bigbugbag wrote: post #186

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I find vivaldi is not really suited for my several hundreds opened tabs navigation style yet. But I have good hopes for vivaldi and encourage people to try it and even use it as their main browser.

> I find vivaldi is not really suited for my several hundreds opened tabs navigation style yet. What is the solution you are currently using that you want them to implement? Is quick commands (F2) + typing the tab name to navigate around not sufficient on Vivaldi?

Unfortunately the quick commands window is very slow. It definitely doesn't live up to its name.

I love it, though, and I truly hope performance is something they tackle soon.

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by mistermann »

AlexandrB wrote: post #219
TeMPOraL wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…

> Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable... It's like everyone's forgotten what makes desktops great. There are tons [1][2][3][4] of tools you can install today that solve this problem for you. No need to wait for browser vendors to integrate everything. [1] https://mizage.com/divvy/ [2] http://magnet.crowdcafe.com [3] http://lightpilla…

Recommendation? (for Windows)
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