Meh... I'd still prefer Windows 3.11.
Everything that I discovered there was such an amazing surprise. Good times.
Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
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Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#22The argument doesn't seem that cogent. The strategy described is what they already tried to do with the Surface RT, a failure which the article briefly mentions and moves on. Nonetheless, there's a truth here about UWP. Applications today are all HTML websites. They should be containerized native applications, navigated spontaneously like the web, but running native code protected by the privilege declarations system…
> Applications today are all HTML websites.
Perhaps I misunderstood your point, but taking it literally: this claim is just plainly untrue, and reflects a very narrow-minded view of software in general.
Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#23The article paints UWP as a modern programming environment, superior to Win32, that only 'lazy developers' would reject, when in reality it is a confusing mess of desktop and outdated mobile paradigms from 10 years ago when mobile devices had dramatically less RAM and were much less powerful then 'real computers'. UWP is in many ways worse than Win32, it requires much more boilerplate code to get stuff done, and requ…
I think they mostly expected UWP apps to written in .net. You don't need a weird language for that.
Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#24There are a lot of issues with this article - Windows S is no more a 'new' OS than an environment running AppLocker is a new OS. The $49 'upgrade' from WinS to a 'full' Windows 10 is simply removing the restriction, it's the same OS through and through UWP doesn't explicitly require XAML as part of the stack directx and win2d provide more direct access to graphics hardware Edge is not a Native UWP application - whate…
What do you mean edge is not UWP native? Are you saying it uses Win32?
Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#25The article paints UWP as a modern programming environment, superior to Win32, that only 'lazy developers' would reject, when in reality it is a confusing mess of desktop and outdated mobile paradigms from 10 years ago when mobile devices had dramatically less RAM and were much less powerful then 'real computers'. UWP is in many ways worse than Win32, it requires much more boilerplate code to get stuff done, and requ…
Precisely. And the fact Bing is the only search engine allowed (on spurious safety grounds) and Chrome is barred tells you everything. This is destined to fail right? The main advantage of, say, a Chromebook is that it boots instantly and handles multiple users with no IT oversight
Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#26What happens to Steam and similar apps? (Honest question.)
They are dead. It would be basically store-within-store, except that it cannot grant permissions to run, because only the primary one can do that. Primary store will do that only for their cut, making the secondary useless.
This is exactly what Valve saw when they started their Linux push.
Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#27Ok, so Windows S is a Windows Chromebook.
I imagine we'll just continue to ignore that UWP and the Windows Store exist. Wake me up when full versions of Office and Visual Studio are built as UWP apps.
Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#28"Some of it is developer laziness. It's not like they haven't had 15 years to learn and adopt .NET and the past five years to adopt Metro/Modern/UWP." Once I can't target Win32 anymore I'll switch to the browser. Metro/Modern/UWP isn't on my radar. I doubt I'm alone in those thoughts.
Not everyone enjoys doing web development, personally every web project I take part on feels like being in the galleys.
I've only ever done web. What's the difference in your opinion?
Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#29The article paints UWP as a modern programming environment, superior to Win32, that only 'lazy developers' would reject, when in reality it is a confusing mess of desktop and outdated mobile paradigms from 10 years ago when mobile devices had dramatically less RAM and were much less powerful then 'real computers'. UWP is in many ways worse than Win32, it requires much more boilerplate code to get stuff done, and requ…
Precisely. And the fact Bing is the only search engine allowed (on spurious safety grounds) and Chrome is barred tells you everything. This is destined to fail right? The main advantage of, say, a Chromebook is that it boots instantly and handles multiple users with no IT oversight
Did not MS get dinged for promoting IE , banning competitors completely is even worse
Re: Microsoft knows Windows is obsolete. a sneak peek at its replacement
#30The article paints UWP as a modern programming environment, superior to Win32, that only 'lazy developers' would reject, when in reality it is a confusing mess of desktop and outdated mobile paradigms from 10 years ago when mobile devices had dramatically less RAM and were much less powerful then 'real computers'. UWP is in many ways worse than Win32, it requires much more boilerplate code to get stuff done, and requ…
I think they mostly expected UWP apps to written in .net. You don't need a weird language for that.
I've never been able to figure out what direction UWP apps were supposed to go. At one point it was C++, then it was .NET, then it was some dialect of JavaScript. The political tides ebb and flow, but Win32 abides.