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Opera is Reborn
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Re: Opera is Reborn
#212I don't dare to use this since Opera got bought by that Chinese consortium of companies I'm not accustomed with. Not sure if I'm overly cautious? I'm thinking of especially Opera Link (which had a recent security breach to boot!). Wouldn't that leave out my passwords to China? And I do want to use some sort of syncing, I'd go crazy without anything there or some iffy third party addon. It's not even just about a trus…
Let's say, worst-case scenario and this consortium of companies is heavily linked to the Chinese govt. So what? Why would a foreign govt care about me, a citizen in a Western country? For what purpose (other than to maybe sell me stuff)? It's for this reason I have considered using a Chinese/Russian email service rather than Gmail, at least there is a chance they won't cooperate with the local authorities if they eve…
You? Maybe not, I don't know much about you. But I would think out of a few million US users, they're able to turn up some useful tidbits.
Particularly as people use this to browse private repositories, corporate intranets, etc.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#213>desktops and laptops, while theoretically more powerful multitasking tools, have been left behind >Browsing and chatting simultaneously is cumbersome and inefficient now, as you need to switch between tabs when responding to a message Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. See…
At this point your browser is your OS(with Blink as the kernel, Chrome(ium) as the init/package manager and Opera as the DE), so something like this does makes sense. I just wish that web developers would realise how terrible of an idea this trend is.
It's almost always some ass hole above the developers. We're not idiots and we know what does/doesn't work. But we don't always make the decisions.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…
I'm on OSX and it magnetically snaps windows together as they get close. Makes it easy to divide ad hoc. As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.
> "As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app."
http://meetfranz.com/ does this in a maybe user-friendlier way than Pidgin (at the cost of a more shallow "integration" due to most of the supported services being non-standard, basically you're running all the clients in one place). It doesn't "remember which of the messaging apps each of my friends prefers, and routes messages appropriately" as requested below by marcus_holmes, but maybe it can start scratching your itch.
Re: Opera is Reborn
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…
I'm on OSX and it magnetically snaps windows together as they get close. Makes it easy to divide ad hoc. As for messengers, what would be revolutionary is if you could actually use all these fragmented messengers in a single app.
I have slack (via their irc gateway), facebook messanger, and google chat/hangouts unified in pidgin. I could pay pushbullet to get sms in there too!
Re: Opera is Reborn
#216The main driver for innovation and growth of the open web was that it is open. The diversity we got from that was tremendous. Anyone could make a website with whatever content they could think of and people all over the world could access it. There was some kind of "web neutrality" in browsers. They didn't prefer one site over the other. The second big boost came from extendability and customizability of browsers through extensions which gave people even more control over what they would consume. And on top of that, the browers became open source, a big win all around.
Opera is going the other way. They have a closed source browser that directly integrates some specific products into the browser. You can't completely get rid of them, you can't integrate another product in the same way and I'd guess an extension can't mess with these pre-packaged addons. It's nice that you can have a messenger in a sidebar next to your current browsing page. But it's taking control away from users and that's not the way forward in an open web. Why can't this be an extension? Why can't it have a feature that lets me run two tabs side by side so I can choose what products to use there?
In general I think this Opera Reborn is still far behind say Firefox or the official Chrome. Just now you can change the filter lists in their Adblocker something that adblocking extensions could do for years. Now you can change Operas theme, i could make Firefox look like whatever I wanted forever. For all the love that the old Opera deserved, I don't think Opera is the future of web browsing.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let's say, worst-case scenario and this consortium of companies is heavily linked to the Chinese govt. So what? Why would a foreign govt care about me, a citizen in a Western country? For what purpose (other than to maybe sell me stuff)? It's for this reason I have considered using a Chinese/Russian email service rather than Gmail, at least there is a chance they won't cooperate with the local authorities if they eve…
Do you own a business? Perhaps have some closed source software product? Many state actors would happily lift it from your inbox and pass it to some local startups.
I think most people who either own or work at businesses hopefully would be smart/careful enough to not take this risk (for business purposes I personally would only use open-source software whenever possible, and at least try and encrypt sensitive emails or just use something with E2E like Whatsapp), but people using internet/email for non-commercial purposes (i.e. the majority of users) would probably not care what state actors did.
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#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
Vivaldi (by the original Opera people) has tiling.
I find vivaldi is not really suited for my several hundreds opened tabs navigation style yet. But I have good hopes for vivaldi and encourage people to try it and even use it as their main browser.
> I find vivaldi is not really suited for my several hundreds opened tabs navigation style yet.
What is the solution you are currently using that you want them to implement?
Is quick commands (F2) + typing the tab name to navigate around not sufficient on Vivaldi?
Re: Opera is Reborn
#219>desktops and laptops, while theoretically more powerful multitasking tools, have been left behind >Browsing and chatting simultaneously is cumbersome and inefficient now, as you need to switch between tabs when responding to a message Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. See…
> Or, since we all have widescreen monitors (and often multiple monitors) you could just have your messengers in a window next to the browser instead of a sidebar within the browser. Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable (hard to keep the windows properly aligned, hard to have them simultaneously on the foreground when other windows co…
> Except that - unless you're on a tiling WM on Linux - your window manager sucks, and solution like this is barely usable...
It's like everyone's forgotten what makes desktops great. There are tons [1][2][3][4] of tools you can install today that solve this problem for you. No need to wait for browser vendors to integrate everything.
[2] http://magnet.crowdcafe.com
Re: Opera is Reborn
#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
True, if your WM doesn't suck , which rules out Windows and MacOS (ok, for the former someone wrote a tiling WM overlay in... AutoHotkey). Otherwise it's annoying hassle to keep the windows properly sized and displayed.
And for the latter, you have Moom, kwm, amethyst, divvy, Better(Snap|Touch)Tool, Slate, Breeze, etc.
Divvy also works on Windows. So this covers the former as well. Plus there are other options [1].
The fact that this keeps coming up makes me think that people have forgotten how customizable the desktop experience can be. Unlike iOS/Android you're not tied down to what the app designer thought a good layout is when organizing your windows.
[1] http://alternativeto.net/software/divvy/?platform=windows