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Opera is Reborn

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Re: Opera is Reborn

#101

Post by bigbugbag »

nly wrote: post #74
nonsince wrote: post #59

I really like the concept of bringing i3-style tiling management to the browser space, but why is it specific to messengers? Since most well-designed websites work at any size, couldn't you just have a permanent tab at the side of the screen of, say, twitter, or some browser-based IRC client? Admittedly, I'd probably use facebook messenger as this tab anyway, so my needs are covered, but it seems like a missed opport…

Opera had tiling some 12-15 years ago. By default tabs were just 'maximized' to the full window, and they made it harder and harder to access with subsequent versions. I'm not even sure if it made it to the latest presto release (version 12). Edit: the Wikipedia page shows tiling in Opera 1.0 in 1995... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Opera_web_brows... I'm with you though. I dumped Opera the moment they…

Just fired up the real opera (v12.16 b1860) I still have around and use occasionally to this day to test this.

Sure enough the tiling feature is there. Right click the tab bar and go to the arrange menu.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#102

Post by absove »

jug wrote: post #40

I don't dare to use this since Opera got bought by that Chinese consortium of companies I'm not accustomed with. Not sure if I'm overly cautious? I'm thinking of especially Opera Link (which had a recent security breach to boot!). Wouldn't that leave out my passwords to China? And I do want to use some sort of syncing, I'd go crazy without anything there or some iffy third party addon. It's not even just about a trus…

>It's that the Chinese government have ways of getting into even resisting companies at their whim that are judged alright in completely different ways than in Norwegian law.

So, just like the US government?

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by bigbugbag »

TomyMMX wrote: post #63

How is it possible that Opera got all my saved passwords and sh*t from Chrome? I did not authorize this during install.

Unless they stopped since last time I checked, they also insert sponsored stuff in your bookmarks at each update.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#105

Post by netsharc »

borzale wrote: post #54
analogmemory wrote: post #47

If I ignore your weird racist overtones. Why would you trust Google/Apple/Firefox more?

I don't think it's fair to equate not trusting the Chinese government with racism.

But thinking US companies are different because they claim they're not working with the American surveillance state is mostly deluding one's self. If you ask them, Opera can also probably issue a statement saying that they don't let the Chinese surveillance state spy on them, if one says "I believe you" to one class of orgs, and "I don't believe you" to another class, and the difference is the race...

Obviously in the US there's more checks and balances, to make a company's statement more believable. Or that's what we believe anyway...

Re: Opera is Reborn

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Post by mikeyjk »

vanderZwan wrote: post #97
borzale wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's fair to equate not trusting the Chinese government with racism.

Opera was bought by Chinese companies, not the Chinese government.

Subject to Chinese laws though.. although what gets enforced is a different matter.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#108

Post by penetrarthur »

retrac98 wrote: post #7

Where to Opera get their money? Building and maintaining a browser seems like an expensive undertaking, and yet despite nobody I know using or even testing their websites on Opera, they've been actively developing and maintaining their browser for years.

The company behind Opera browser owns a large ad network.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#109

Post by H4CK3RM4N »

bigbugbag wrote: post #87
H4CK3RM4N wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) Google I don't trust them. 2) Apple Previous stands on privacy/security, knowledge of where they make actually make money and widely spread shareholder base/publicly identifiable managers. 3) Firefox(Moz://a) It's a bit for profit and everything of theirs is open source, and therefore auditable.

Apple PR on privacy is not in line with the icloud based fappening[1] and this one got highly publicized because it involved hundreds of naked celebrities. Mozilla was historically almost entirely funded by google for fueling their personal data collection and profiling (this only changed when firefox started to become irrelevant and mozilla had to scramble for survival and their first move was to keep the same offen…

The fappening was due to weak password security, and a set of criminals smart enough to sit on the exploit in order to achieve a goal. It wasn't due to some huge error or negligence on Apple's part.

> funded by Google

It's still an in profit producing open source software.

> a remote spying mechanism call telemetry

So does almost every other browser. It's easy enough to disable from memory.

> attempting to dominate the browser market

It's the reason IE isn't the market leader. There's a good reason for it to want market share.

I don't particularly trust Moz://a, I just trust Firefox a butt-ton more than Chrome or Opera.

Re: Opera is Reborn

#110

Post by toyg »

Funny for this to happen on the same week I switched my default browser from Firefox to Vivaldi [1]. That is really "Opera reborn", since it's built and owned by the original team of Opera developers - which is probably why it's so good.

[1] https://vivaldi.com/

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