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President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by memmcgee »

yeukhon wrote: post #37
SomeStupidPoint wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SEE EDIT ~~ He also fired the federal judge who ruled against him in Hawaii. So it's not like this is new behavior. ~~ Don't worry though, this is fine . Ed: I'm likely misremembering bluster as taking action, since I can't find specific citations. So I retract the comment, and would strike through it (I don't like deleting text), but don't know if I can on HN.

He can't fire a federal judge. There is a due process for impeaching a federal judge from the bench. Neither can Department of Justice (which is part of the executive branch), it is one of the best preserved traditions of our Checks and Balances, despite some of rulings are not agreed by majority (do I have to bring up the stupid ruling of Judge Persky on the People vs Turner case). Therefore, we can't fire or replac…

The person more at fault in the Turner case is the probation officer who recommended such a light sentence. The judge idiotically accepted their recommendation.

I think the case for idiot judges that really makes the case for me is this one: http://reason.com/blog/2011/03/08/tennessee-cops-posed-as-a-...

TL;DR: a detective impersonated a defense attorney and got the victim to incriminate himself. The original judge in the case let them use the evidence in court and didn't immediately throw that shit to the curb. The appeals judge ripped them a new one though.

There's also the case of a judge in Michigan banning a guy from the internet for having a date over Tinder when he accepted a plea deal that the prosecutor then convinced the judge to double back on. https://ballotpedia.org/Dennis_M._Wiley

Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by frankzinger »

fooey wrote: post #20

Seemed to be confirmed as real, so here are letters being floated as from Trump, Sessions and Rosenstein firing Comey and blaming the Clinton investigation Trump: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apTsDXoAAVKYn.jpg AG Sessions: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apUYrXgAAihp2.jpg Deputy AG Rosenstein: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apVImXcAIKhfm.jpg Dear Director Comey: I have received the attached letters from the Attorney Ge…

Sorry, but the horizontal scrolling kills me.

  Dear Director Comey:

  I have received the attached letters from
  the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General
  of the United States recommending your dismissal
  as the Director of the Federal Bureau of
  Investigation. I have accepted their
  recommendation and you are hereby terminated and
  removed from office, effective immediately.

  While I greatly appreciate you informing me, on
  three separate occasions, that I am not under
  investigation, I nevertheless concur with the
  judgment of the Department of Justice that you
  are not able to effectively lead the Bureau.

  It it essential that we find new leadership for
  the FBI that restores public trust and confidence
  in its vital law enforcement mission.

  I wish you the best of luck in your future
  endeavors.

Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by icebraining »

buckbova wrote: post #59
cloudwalking wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true. Rolling back regulations on green house gas emissions, removing regulations on clean water, denying healthcare to millions of people... Those deaths cannot be undone, the aquifers cannot be cleaned, and the carbon can't be removed from the atmosphere.

Let's tone down the hyperbole. Edit: I don't like having a political argument in this forum. I don't want hn to turn into r/politics. I'm not swayed by emotional pleas from celebrities or others crying about a bill they haven't read. Who are these folks dying by the millions? From what I see mortality rates rose since obamacare came about: "We know that the same year Obamacare’s insurance expansion provisions took ef…

Nobody wrote "millions of deaths". What was said was that millions would be denied coverage, which would result in deaths.

Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by frankzinger »

dguaraglia wrote: post #36
fooey wrote: post #20

Seemed to be confirmed as real, so here are letters being floated as from Trump, Sessions and Rosenstein firing Comey and blaming the Clinton investigation Trump: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apTsDXoAAVKYn.jpg AG Sessions: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apUYrXgAAihp2.jpg Deputy AG Rosenstein: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apVImXcAIKhfm.jpg Dear Director Comey: I have received the attached letters from the Attorney Ge…

Oh, wow, so this is where they are going. Call me cynical, but it sounds like a distraction tactic from the current investigation into Trump's campaign ties to Russian interests. EDIT: adding to that thought, Trump's team had to add "although you've informed me that there's no investigation"... while Comey himself has said in public hearings there are investigations. Wow, this stinks to high heavens.

> EDIT: adding to that thought, Trump's team had to add "although you've informed me that there's no investigation"... while Comey himself has said in public hearings there are investigations. Wow, this stinks to high heavens.

He actually said "... that I am not under investigation...", quite different, so it doesn't actually contradict anything Comey said in the hearings.

Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by [deleted] »

frankzinger wrote: post #302
fooey wrote: post #20

Seemed to be confirmed as real, so here are letters being floated as from Trump, Sessions and Rosenstein firing Comey and blaming the Clinton investigation Trump: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apTsDXoAAVKYn.jpg AG Sessions: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apUYrXgAAihp2.jpg Deputy AG Rosenstein: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apVImXcAIKhfm.jpg Dear Director Comey: I have received the attached letters from the Attorney Ge…

Sorry, but the horizontal scrolling kills me. Dear Director Comey: I have received the attached letters from the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General of the United States recommending your dismissal as the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I have accepted their recommendation and you are hereby terminated and removed from office, effective immediately. While I greatly appreciate you informing m…

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Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by [deleted] »

frankzinger wrote: post #302
fooey wrote: post #20

Seemed to be confirmed as real, so here are letters being floated as from Trump, Sessions and Rosenstein firing Comey and blaming the Clinton investigation Trump: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apTsDXoAAVKYn.jpg AG Sessions: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apUYrXgAAihp2.jpg Deputy AG Rosenstein: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_apVImXcAIKhfm.jpg Dear Director Comey: I have received the attached letters from the Attorney Ge…

Sorry, but the horizontal scrolling kills me. Dear Director Comey: I have received the attached letters from the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General of the United States recommending your dismissal as the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I have accepted their recommendation and you are hereby terminated and removed from office, effective immediately. While I greatly appreciate you informing m…

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Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by mwfunk »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #240
mwfunk wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument would be a lot more plausible had Trump not done absolutely everything in his power to look guilty as hell on a daily basis. This whole thing could've been shut down months ago with the barest modicum of transparency, integrity, leadership, and honesty from the administration. Trump could have cleared this up in an instant if he had made even a token effort to behave like a responsible, competent, sane…

> Your argument would be a lot more plausible had Trump not done absolutely everything in his power to look guilty as hell on a daily basis. As a counterpoint: "Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak" - Sun Tzu

That would apply if we were talking about a general in a war and his philosophy for dealing with his enemies. It might also be applicable to a metaphorical general in a metaphorical war, like when people use this quote when discussing competition in business. However if a public servant is thinking in these terms about his interactions with his own constituents and his colleagues after taking office, something is seriously wrong with that person. Running for office is a completely different activity than executing the responsibilities of that office after winning it.

When we're talking about not just a public servant, but arguably the public servant with more responsibility on his shoulders than any other human being in America if not the planet, the same principles apply a million times over.

Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by singularity2001 »

avs733 wrote: post #141

Sally Yates investigates Trump's cabinet: Fired by the Trump administration Preet Bharara investigates Trump's cabinet: Fired by the Trump administration Director Comey Investigates Trump's cabinet: Fired by the Trump administration

Berlusconization of the US

Re: President Trump Dismisses FBI Director Comey

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Post by [deleted] »

baakss wrote: post #205
mwfunk wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your argument would be a lot more plausible had Trump not done absolutely everything in his power to look guilty as hell on a daily basis. This whole thing could've been shut down months ago with the barest modicum of transparency, integrity, leadership, and honesty from the administration. Trump could have cleared this up in an instant if he had made even a token effort to behave like a responsible, competent, sane…

> but the last 6 months and this moment in particular is a level of shame, embarrassment, and disgust that I have never felt in my 45 years as an American citizen. I personally felt more disgust when we bombed a Doctors Without Borders hospital. But I guess Trump's kind of outlandish too.

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