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How Homeownership Became the Engine of American Inequality

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Even if you have debt, you should be taking full advantage of your employer 401k match if one is available to you. In almost every case you will come out ahead even if you withdraw the money early. So many of my coworkers do not contribute to their 401K at all, which is literally just leaving free money on the table.

Are there employers that still match? I'm only half joking.

Yes. I know it's true of my current employer; IIRC it's true of the last three jobs I've had.

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The MID barely cancels out my property taxes. Imagine if your investment accounts had to pay 1% tax every year based on its current worth even if you didn't realize any profits.

Well, if you rent, you're paying the owner's property taxes anyway, and you're definitely not going to realize any profits.

It depends on the market. I have rented places in the Bay Area where my rent was less than the owner's mortgage. This was pre-2008, though.

Re: How Homeownership Became the Engine of American Inequality

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From the article: "She goes without a savings account and regularly relies on credit cards to buy toilet paper and soap." Maintaining a relatively constant credit card debt (which is what it usually meant by "relying on credit cards" for routine purchases) is often more of a financial literacy problem than an income problem. It's obviously harder to get out of this trap on a low income, but if you're servicing your d…

But then you invite an onslaught accusing you of blaming the poor for their cyclical poverty, because they never had parents who taught and modeled sound financial behavior.

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Any itemized deductions have to add up and pass the standard deduction. Thats normal, but they add up. With that said, as a lot of people said, in high cost areas, it goes really quick, especially if you add municipal taxes which can also be deducted. So if you have 500 bucks a month in municipal taxes (which is kind of low in high cost areas), you're already halfway there. Add the interests (often half of your mortg…

500 dollars/month for municipal taxes? Can you elaborate on those? I might be missing these deduction in the past.

Some places have city or county income tax, usually a few percent.

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Any itemized deductions have to add up and pass the standard deduction. Thats normal, but they add up. With that said, as a lot of people said, in high cost areas, it goes really quick, especially if you add municipal taxes which can also be deducted. So if you have 500 bucks a month in municipal taxes (which is kind of low in high cost areas), you're already halfway there. Add the interests (often half of your mortg…

500 dollars/month for municipal taxes? Can you elaborate on those? I might be missing these deduction in the past.

Property taxes. Can count on it being at least 1.5% to 2.5% in high cost of living areas. On an $800k house, that's in the $15k to $20k region per year.

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Any itemized deductions have to add up and pass the standard deduction. Thats normal, but they add up. With that said, as a lot of people said, in high cost areas, it goes really quick, especially if you add municipal taxes which can also be deducted. So if you have 500 bucks a month in municipal taxes (which is kind of low in high cost areas), you're already halfway there. Add the interests (often half of your mortg…

500 dollars/month for municipal taxes? Can you elaborate on those? I might be missing these deduction in the past.

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I don't know of anyone who bases a home purchase decision on the mortgage interest deduction. Seriously location, school district, cost of home, time to commute, yard size, cost of HOA are all more important to everyone I know. In fact it has never come up in conversations about home purchases with my peer group.

Agreed. I've bought three houses in my lifetime and the MIB was never even in the conversation in any of those purchases.

Didn't you deduct the mortgage interest you paid?

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So this article advocates for the removal of the mortgage interest tax deduction, because subsidizing home ownership leads to a larger economic divide between owners and renters. As a renter, I appreciate the intent, and I also appreciate any measure to simplify the tax code. That said, I also see compelling arguments in the deduction's favor. The sad truth is that most Americans are terrible at saving and in very po…

It might make more sense to kill the tax break on properties north of $1m and shift that to relief for renters under a certain income threshold. You'd leave in place the break for the majority of middle-income wealth builders, close yet another loophole for the wealthy, and enrich lower income renters. It would never ever happen with our current political climate (money is influence), but I feel like it would make se…

You could also remove the MID on second homes, which are generally a true luxury.

Re: How Homeownership Became the Engine of American Inequality

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So this article advocates for the removal of the mortgage interest tax deduction, because subsidizing home ownership leads to a larger economic divide between owners and renters. As a renter, I appreciate the intent, and I also appreciate any measure to simplify the tax code. That said, I also see compelling arguments in the deduction's favor. The sad truth is that most Americans are terrible at saving and in very po…

The problem with renting is, that it will return to you a temporal value(a space to live in each month, after the month this value is basically gone), whereby buying a house will return a lasting value, which you can even use by selling the house. In order to tackle this, the law should be implementing mechanisms to return value to the renter, like the ability to buy the flat after living in it for a certain number of years(like 15-20 years) for a multipel of the monthly rent. This would encourage people to rent longer and would return a fraction of their paid rent to them. But the details would be very complicated, like how do you prevent the landlords using the contract to kick people out, when they've rented the flat almost long enough to buy it?

As rents were cheaper in the previous decades compared to the monthly income, this mechanism would not be necessary. But basically burning half of ones income in order to live somewhere must return some value or around the world not only in the US we will have very poor renters and very rich home owners. This can even lead to even more radical political movements.

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It might make more sense to kill the tax break on properties north of $1m and shift that to relief for renters under a certain income threshold. You'd leave in place the break for the majority of middle-income wealth builders, close yet another loophole for the wealthy, and enrich lower income renters. It would never ever happen with our current political climate (money is influence), but I feel like it would make se…

It sucks to be in the bay area, where houses start from 1.XM$.

This is the wrong time in the cycle to buy a house in the Bay Area, unless you're filthy rich.
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