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How Homeownership Became the Engine of American Inequality

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I'd be willing to bet that if we eliminated the home mortgage interest deduction completely it would barely move the needle of what homes people choose to buy or the number of renters vs. owners. I would love to see the numbers, though.

Until I can afford a down payment [in a location I like] you can put up as many carrots as you want, I still can't cough up the dough to even think about them.

Look into FHA loans. You can have a pretty low down payment.

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I think I remember hearing something on Planet Money on if the MID was reformed or eliminated that house prices would drop basically across the board as an adjustment to that tax code change.

Certain homeowners with a mortgage could, almost overnight, go underwater with their home and on the other end homes could become more affordable under a smaller price point.

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Here's the economist perspective:

Above all, it is inefficient. By subsidizing bigger, more expensive houses, the policy misallocates scarce savings away from productive investments that raise living standards through income- and job-creating innovations. It also makes our financial system more vulnerable: as we wrote in an earlier post, it encourages people to take on risks – in the form of large, subsidized mortgages – that they are not equipped to bear. In the recent crisis, risky mortgage debt was sufficient to put the entire financial system at risk.

http://www.moneyandbanking.com/commentary/2015/6/3/why-the-m...

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So this article advocates for the removal of the mortgage interest tax deduction, because subsidizing home ownership leads to a larger economic divide between owners and renters. As a renter, I appreciate the intent, and I also appreciate any measure to simplify the tax code. That said, I also see compelling arguments in the deduction's favor. The sad truth is that most Americans are terrible at saving and in very poor shape for retirement[1]. And empirically, a home mortgage is perhaps the most successful mass-market forced-savings program in American society today, with much higher participation than tax-deferred retirement accounts[2]. So I see the advantage of tax policies that encourage people to buy their home.

[1] Time to get on my customary soapbox: spend less, save more! You'll be happier today, and much happier in the future.

[2] Back on the soapbox: If you're an American making a professional salary, have no debt and are not maxing out your IRA and 401(k) contributions, there will be a moment in your future when you do the retrospective calculation on how much more money you would have if you had done so and be very sad. :) Minimize regret, and save more today!

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Why is it somehow bad that people who are investing their money in the place where they live - thus becoming more responsible citizens than renters who can just pack up and leave - are getting a small bonus for it?

Please provide proof to back up your claim that this makes them "more responsible citizens".

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Until I can afford a down payment [in a location I like] you can put up as many carrots as you want, I still can't cough up the dough to even think about them.

Look into FHA loans. You can have a pretty low down payment.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think "low" applies to anything housing related in San Francisco. And yes there are cheaper locations, but at that point I might as well move back to Slovenia and buy a gigantic luxury condo for 300k.

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When I crunched the numbers for the mortgage interest deduction it really didn't seem that compelling. It replaces the standard deduction so the first 12,500$ in mortgage interest does nothing for you. After that it's just a minor reduction in taxable income and your tax burden is only reduced by a fraction of your mortgage interest. Not enough to cover the costs of maintaining a home and the tendency to consume more…

I dont believe you are taking into consideration appreciate and long term savings/planning. If you pay your home off in 15 years, then you also only have to worry about maintenance and taxes. If it appreciates greatly when it comes to retire you can move to a more affordable area and take the rest of your appreciation with you for the nest egg.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until I can afford a down payment [in a location I like] you can put up as many carrots as you want, I still can't cough up the dough to even think about them.

Look into FHA loans. You can have a pretty low down payment.

You still have to pay insurance on the mortgage with those though.

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I don't know of anyone who bases a home purchase decision on the mortgage interest deduction. Seriously location, school district, cost of home, time to commute, yard size, cost of HOA are all more important to everyone I know. In fact it has never come up in conversations about home purchases with my peer group.

That's because people are mostly going to be able to use it, there isn't anything interesting to say about it.

To the extent it factors into the monthly payment people can make, it impacts all the things you list.

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