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Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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I expected some new realizations here, but all I could find was a list of the 3 most obvious things about students. Do we really need to follow students to learn that they sit a lot and listen a lot?

For sure no, but in fairness, you might need to before you remember just how hard it can be to actually do those things.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Why do teachers always think group projects and in-class demonstrations are great ideas? I hated that as a student. I found those classes to be really shallow, because groups of students rarely had good ideas or grasped the material well enough to present on it.

A good teacher can spend a whole class lecturing and is able to engage their students.

We don't need to fix class structure. We need to fix teachers.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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post #14

Add metal detectors, wands, and barbed wire to the mix and you'll really know what it's like for some inner city high school kids (like myself once upon a time). Kids today have more time away from school than I did, I had more time away from school than my parents did, this article wasn't much of an eye opener, sorry. Personally, high school is a waste, a transition period for students to truly find what they want o…

Right, internationally there are a lot of places where high school age is career prep, which makes a ton of sense. This is the age at which people were considered to be becoming adults, and the mind craves exploring autonomy and personal engagement.

It's ridiculous that people are shielded from adulthood until they're in their 20s. 21 years old is when a person should be reasonably expected to know how to be an adult, not the age at which a protected child gets their first glimmers of adulthood, but has full responsibility along with their naivety. 16-21 is when they need to practice being adults.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Why do teachers always think group projects and in-class demonstrations are great ideas? I hated that as a student. I found those classes to be really shallow, because groups of students rarely had good ideas or grasped the material well enough to present on it. A good teacher can spend a whole class lecturing and is able to engage their students. We don't need to fix class structure. We need to fix teachers.

Because you get group projects at work, And the groups at work rarely have good ideas or grasp material well enough to work on it.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Are 90-minute classes the norm? I dont have my old timetablez, but it think 60 minute classes were our norm, with much shorter breaks between.

Increasingly so. ~90 minute "block" classes are fairly common at the high school level in the US.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I agree, I mean, I realized all this stuff around 8 years old. Even after reading this I don't think any other teachers actually care or will ever care. This teacher is just getting old and forgetting how much being in school sucks. Thankfully I can just work on computers and make tons of money and love it. I now learn more every single week than I probably learned in a few months of school and, I graduated. Tha…

> School barely gave me basics in 13 years and I could of learned all of that in less than a year. Oh the irony...

what's the irony here ? asking for a friend.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure it's the teachers' fault either. Not entirely anyway. They are beholden to school boards and parents (and ultimately all voters via funding). In fact - I suspect this was written for parents (etc) who are not involved in the day to day experience of school, but who demand certain things from schools without any concern for the real world effects (e.g. idiotic faith in standardized testing). Those folks m…

The difficulty is that there is not an obvious "better way" for all schools to serve all students. The underlying goals of schools are often at odds and incompatible with each other, let alone the goals of the students/parents/communities that direct those schools. HN is full of people who hated the constraints of school but loved learning and succeeded based on that personal zeal, but I've known countless young peop…

Yes. I'm a teacher as well. The goals can be very contradictory.

Students and Parents want to learning to be individualized for them based on their specific needs. They don't want to be treated like products on an assembly line.

Students and Parents also don't want to be treated any differently than anyone else. They don't want another student to receive "better" treatment than what they are receiving.

GT students need different lessons that can keep up with them. GT students don't want to feel they are doing more work than non-GT students because they are GT. GT students don't want to have to do the same work as non-GT students. Otherwise what is the point? Non-GT students think it is unfair that GT students get to do different activities.

It can be hard to explain to students and parents that Samantha gets more unstructured learning time because she can handle it and Timmy has to be pushed along with less unstructured learning time because he goofs off the whole time.

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Cut and pasted: Are paywalls ok? It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds. In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. Now before you 'noob' me I did put in some effort. The old "google the title and click thru from google" doesn't work. Ghostery isn't helping. Adblock Plus isn't helping. Its a clickbait article and there's nothing wrong with that bu…

The 'web' link is supposed to take you to the "google the title and click through from google" trick. When I clicked on the link directly I did not get a paywall. FWIW I do not have ABP.

It's especially useful if you right click and open in an incognito window.

Still, even with all that the WSJ have tightened their paywall and some people report problems getting around it even using all the tricks.

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