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Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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Profession: Software "Engineer" [06:15] First alarm goes off; [06:45] Finally wake up, get out of bed, shower, shave, make espresso for me and the wife [07:15] out the door, 30 minute commute to office [07:45] breakfast bagel at my work cafe [08:00] arrive at desk, begin contemplating work -- work on something I procrastinated on the previous day so that I can have a good standup report [9:00] everyone arrives at off…

Many people complain about the usual work chaos. I'm also an engineer and I don't get it. For me, having other people come and ask questions is not distraction but an opportunity to help, learn to know their point of view, learn new things. Meetings are a way to influence the direction of the company however small my influence may be. Other people talking can really distract if it's heavily on topic, but usually also…

Suppose you are taking a math exam. One about advanced calculus that is really hard and taxing. I'm talking about one of those that is five hours long and there are only three problems in total on the test, so you are expected to spend over an hour on each problem.

Would you prefer if a) the environment was quiet and no one was interrupting you. Or b) the environment was noisy and you were constantly interrupted by people talking about how they spent their weekend.

To many developers, productive work is like taking a math exam. Therefore we want the same kind of environment (a distraction free one) to do our best work.

Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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Profession: Firefighter - Full time Workday (kind of, nothing is typical at the firehouse): - [06:00]: Wake up - get dressed covertly and slip out of the house - [06:30] Arrive at the station - Get coffee! Find my "relief" which is the similarly ranked person on the off going shift. - run 911 calls - [07:30] Have "line up"; Where we discuss what drills we have planned, eat some breakfast... drink more coffee. Talk ab…

I've been a software engineer for the past 20 years but I'm really looking at changing things up and doing something totally different—I just can't stand spending so much time in front of a computer anymore (I find myself looking for excuses to do physical activity away from the screen). This sounds exactly like the sort of thing I'd enjoy, and I'd get to learn lots of useful skills and serve my local community at th…

I'm not OP but I went through fire academy in the US with someone doing a similar career change as you're thinking about. He was in his late 30s or early 40s, and as I remember, academy was too physically demanding for him and he dropped out. Fire service, and in particular urban and wildlife firefighting, can be quite physically challenging. More suburban or rural areas are less demanding, but are mostly staffed by volunteers.

Four things to keep in mind: first, in most US jurisdictions these days, firefighting is coupled with EMS. So if you're squeamish around trauma, it's probably not going to be a good fit. Second, it's pretty physically demanding. Even if the academic side comes naturally to you, it's a very physical job. Third, it can literally kill you. If you don't handle stress well, it's not going to be a good fit. Fourth, it's a team effort. Even on extremely understaffed departments, you're always dependent upon other people, and they are always dependent on you -- sometimes, in both cases, for survival.

Out of my academy class, roughly 1/3 the class struggled with the academic portion, roughly 1/3 struggled with the physical portion, and the last 1/3 had to work at it, but didn't really struggle.

For reference, these are some of the kinds of things we needed to do:

+ Simulated rescue of 165-pound dummy

+ Move hose lines, both charged (with water) and uncharged (no water)

+ Climb ladders until you suck the bottle dry

+ Crawl through a wire entanglement tunnel in full gear (I think we also went through one round with "blindfold" inserts in our SCBA masks)

+ Drills with time limits on almost everything (donning gear, doffing gear, bottle changes, on-air, off-air...)

And so on. My advice would be, get in shape first, and manage your expectations. Many departments will be pretty hesitant hiring someone who's 20 years more senior than all of the rest of the recruits. Volunteer would probably be a better fit, but less of a career change and more of a side project.

Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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I've been a software engineer for the past 20 years but I'm really looking at changing things up and doing something totally different—I just can't stand spending so much time in front of a computer anymore (I find myself looking for excuses to do physical activity away from the screen). This sounds exactly like the sort of thing I'd enjoy, and I'd get to learn lots of useful skills and serve my local community at th…

It is mostly EMS now... just fair warning. A lot of your options, like software engineering, depend on where you live and/or where you would like to re-locate. That is, lots of volunteer and professional options on the east coast... while mostly professional paid/career options on the west coast. I cannot speak to the volunteer tier of the fire service, I am simply ignorant to the demands of that side. I can speak to…

I went through academy (didn't work as FF though, just as EMS)[1] in Cleveland, in a program heavily oriented towards professional programs, and would echo most of this.

[1] I graduated just fine, but had pretty major time conflicts with grad school and decided not to go into FF full-time, which pretty much precluded my ability to do it at all, unfortunately.

Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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Profession: software engineer, building SaaS and mobile apps, as well as part-time contracting (remote) [04:00] wake up (I only need 6h of sleep; attempted uberman sleep schedule in the past but incompatible with social life first time around, with family life in recent years) [04:05] drink water, meditate, blue light therapy in winter months, drink green tea, read personal email, check the weather and comics (avoid…

Wow, that's the kind of work/life balance most should strive for. Congratulations on making it.

Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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Profession: Software "Engineer" [06:15] First alarm goes off; [06:45] Finally wake up, get out of bed, shower, shave, make espresso for me and the wife [07:15] out the door, 30 minute commute to office [07:45] breakfast bagel at my work cafe [08:00] arrive at desk, begin contemplating work -- work on something I procrastinated on the previous day so that I can have a good standup report [9:00] everyone arrives at off…

Profession: software "engineer" too. [08:00] First alarm goes off; [10:00] I'm starting to wake up [11:00] Some quick HN checking [12:00] Ok, off to office. [13:00] At the office; talking with customer if needed, otherwise desperately trying to get some work done amidst noise and distractions, including but not limited to people occasionally playing board games for a break. [18:00] All my cow-orkers in the room have…

>The other day, one of my cow-orkers asked me, how can I bear working late hours - it must be very lonely. I desperately tried not to answer that with "that's precisely the point".

Is your cow-orker also a software engineer (or "engineer" if you prefer, esp. in their case)?

I'm starting to think that a large majority of software developers actually like open-plan work environments with lots of interruptions, however they also don't browse forums like this very much. They do well (or well enough to keep their jobs) in these environments, enjoy them, but they don't hang out on places like this online either at work or after-hours, and go home to play with their kids or watch sports or hang out at bars.

Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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Profession: SRE - full time, remote - M-F

- [09:00] wake up. make breakfast for child, myself and dog

- [09:30] make coffee. cleanup kitchen / house. random chores

- [10:00] nanny arrives. slack, email, github

- [10:30] actual work begins

- [14:00] make lunch

- [14:15] make coffee, nap or take dog for walk.

- [15:00] resume work

- [17:15] nanny leaves

- [18:00] make dinner. wife is back from work. spend time w/family

- [21:30] child is asleep. walk dog or go for a run

- [22:15] resume work

- [00:00] sleep or time for side projects (1 hour)

Some days have more consistent blocks of work time but this has recently been the norm.

Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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Yeah that "reloading " process is hard for me as well, which is why I wear headphones. But some people don't respect headphones! They still interrupt with trivial bs, even after you've given them every possible nonverbal clue that you're trying to get shit done!

I actually ditched shitty Bluetooth headphones and bought myself a HyperX Butt set for work just because of noisy cow-orkers. Works wonders for ambient noise and I enjoy the quality of whatever I am listening to, but as you said, some people still don't get the clue.

Yeah, it doesn't matter how good your headphones are when some asshole sneaks up behind you and taps you on the shoulder to ask you some inane question that he could have sent in an email.

Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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Profession: software "engineer" too. [08:00] First alarm goes off; [10:00] I'm starting to wake up [11:00] Some quick HN checking [12:00] Ok, off to office. [13:00] At the office; talking with customer if needed, otherwise desperately trying to get some work done amidst noise and distractions, including but not limited to people occasionally playing board games for a break. [18:00] All my cow-orkers in the room have…

>The other day, one of my cow-orkers asked me, how can I bear working late hours - it must be very lonely. I desperately tried not to answer that with "that's precisely the point". Is your cow-orker also a software engineer (or "engineer" if you prefer, esp. in their case)? I'm starting to think that a large majority of software developers actually like open-plan work environments with lots of interruptions, however…

Yes, he's also a software engineer[0]. Yes, I have a similar suspicion.

This is a longer topic, but in my mind there's a bimodal distribution on a spectrum of attitude towards programming. Some, like me, are people in love with technology, who go home to tinker on side projects. Other - like that cow-orker - treat software as a career, and they go home to socialize, play board games with friends, etc. Without judging anyone, my impression is that our industry is mostly filled with the second kind of people now[1], and they seem to predominantly feel good in open-space offices.

In the end, I figured that my preferences must be in minority, so I don't complain too much. That is, unless someone is really distracting me for longer periods of time, at which point I'll kindly ask them to stop.

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[0] - I'm not here to tell him how he should feel about his degree. For myself, looking back at the education I got, I think my feelings were best expressed by a friend of mine: "if for that I'm an engineer, then I'm afraid to go to a doctor".

[1] - I believe it used to be different in the past, but that impression might be colored by small exposure to the real software world in my teens; the kind of people you meet on-line in programming circles are usually self-selected to be tech lovers / geeks.

Re: Ask HN: What's your working day like?

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post #94

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Wow, less than 6 hours of sleep. Is that sustainable?

It depends on your genome

It does, but at least for me, the ritual requires a bit more work than that. My whole family is good with less than 8 hours of sleep and interestingly, growing up it was seen as a symptom of a problem if we slept for 8 or more hours. I am usually good with 5 or 6 hours of sleep a night, but in order to maintain that, I must ensure that I don't oversleep on the weekends, or my whatever thing gets out of whack and my body wants to oversleep on other days. I've also got to maintain my exercise regime, because for some reason, when I work out, I feel good and totally refreshed after 5-6 hours of sleep. But if I haven't worked out for a few days, or I overslept on the weekend, it takes me a week and some exercise to get back into feeling refreshed after only 5-6 hours of sleep.
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