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FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

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Re: FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

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Oh yeah, like these comments really matter this time around. A certain sector of society elects Donald Trump, who appoints the new FCC chair, and they'll do whatever they want within legal possibilities. Do you really think the sector of society which most cares about this rule change will affect the outcome with comments? They will no more do so than scientists will affect the budget of the EPA with comments.

Trump is as much a politician as anyone. He's so worried about his rep, he's actually trying to build the wall. If people are against this en masse -- he won't touch it. My guess is he backs down or takes a neutral stance, just like Wheeler did on net neutrality, and like Obama did on encryption. I mean, you know behind the scenes they're trying like hell to get rid of net neutrality, but they can't do that in the fa…

> If people are against this en masse -- he won't touch it. My guess is he backs down or takes a neutral stance, just like Wheeler did on net neutrality, and like Obama did on encryption.

Wheeler did not take a neutral stance. He was always for net neutrality. Some people were confused on that point because after the courts tossed out the Open Internet Order of 2010, Wheeler's first proposed replacement was weaker. In particular, it would have allowed paid "fast lanes".

It was weaker not because he preferred weaker net neutrality, but rather because he wanted to try to save net neutrality using the same legal authority that the 2010 order used, if he could. That would be very likely to survive further judicial scrutiny, and also not to draw to much Congressional ire.

But from the start he said he was open to reclassifying ISPs as Title II common carriers in order to make a new order that was stronger than the 2010. The public comments were overwhelmingly in favor of that, and that's what he went with.

People also get confused about Wheeler's intentions because he was once head of the main cable trade association, and later head of the main cellular/wireless trade association. What is often overlooked is that at those times, those industries were young, small, and trying to compete against big established players (broadcast networks in the case of cable, the big telephone companies in the case of cellular/wireless). Fighting for cable and wireless was the pro-consumer, pro-competition side at the time.

In Wheeler's own words:

Wheeler> You have to think about what I was lobbying for. The cable industry at that point in time was fighting being put out of business by this agency at the request of the broadcasters. Broadcasters wanted to shut down the cable companies. They didn't want to give them access to programming because they didn’t want the content in the market, the competition in the market. And so I joined a crusade—we called it ‘plant a flower in the vast wasteland’—to have choice for Americans in what they see on television.

See this interview if you want to understand Wheeler:

https://arstechnica.com/business/2016/03/how-a-former-lobbyi...

Re: FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

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post #11

Real confirmation of an attack would be a nice-to-have in this situation. I can see 3 probable realities: 1. The sheer volume of commenters and responses took down the system. They cover it by saying a DDoS attack was the cause. 2. They are intent on crippling Net Neutrality anyway, and either designed the system to insufficiently handle traffic and call it a DDos or even DDos themselves. 3. Since there are groups wi…

John Oliver's video is #3 trending on YouTube right now. It specifically calls for people to write comments on that page. He even bought up a domain that points directly to the page. http://gofccyourself.com

Citing the second paragraph of the posted article:

> “These were deliberate attempts by external actors to bombard the FCC’s comment system with a high amount of traffic to our commercial cloud host. These actors were not attempting to file comments themselves; rather they made it difficult for legitimate commenters to access and file with the FCC.”

Re: FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

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post #11

Real confirmation of an attack would be a nice-to-have in this situation. I can see 3 probable realities: 1. The sheer volume of commenters and responses took down the system. They cover it by saying a DDoS attack was the cause. 2. They are intent on crippling Net Neutrality anyway, and either designed the system to insufficiently handle traffic and call it a DDos or even DDos themselves. 3. Since there are groups wi…

1a. Incompetent IT failed to implement proper monitoring/logging and they honestly don't know if it was legitimate traffic or a DDOS attack.

This is the US government, which generally procures according to the lowest bidder. Unfortunately, this kind of thing is business as usual.

Re: FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

#35
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is as much a politician as anyone. He's so worried about his rep, he's actually trying to build the wall. If people are against this en masse -- he won't touch it. My guess is he backs down or takes a neutral stance, just like Wheeler did on net neutrality, and like Obama did on encryption. I mean, you know behind the scenes they're trying like hell to get rid of net neutrality, but they can't do that in the fa…

> If people are against this en masse -- he won't touch it. My guess is he backs down or takes a neutral stance, just like Wheeler did on net neutrality, and like Obama did on encryption. Wheeler did not take a neutral stance. He was always for net neutrality. Some people were confused on that point because after the courts tossed out the Open Internet Order of 2010, Wheeler's first proposed replacement was weaker. I…

> Wheeler did not take a neutral stance.

I didn't mean to say he did. The president is the only one who can wait and see what the public thinks before speaking. Everyone else has to act in order to test the waters for the President.

> Wheeler's first proposed replacement was weaker. In particular, it would have allowed paid "fast lanes".

Yeah, that's not net neutrality at all. Title II classification was good and overall Wheeler kept the internet open. But, fast lanes don't have any place in a neutral internet.

Re: FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

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post #33
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

John Oliver's video is #3 trending on YouTube right now. It specifically calls for people to write comments on that page. He even bought up a domain that points directly to the page. http://gofccyourself.com

Citing the second paragraph of the posted article: > “These were deliberate attempts by external actors to bombard the FCC’s comment system with a high amount of traffic to our commercial cloud host. These actors were not attempting to file comments themselves; rather they made it difficult for legitimate commenters to access and file with the FCC.”

And the official statement from the FCC,

> “Beginning on Sunday night at midnight, our analysis reveals that the FCC was subject to multiple distributed denial-of-service attacks (DDos). These were deliberate attempts by external actors to bombard the FCC’s comment system with a high amount of traffic to our commercial cloud host. These actors were not attempting to file comments themselves; rather they made it difficult for legitimate commenters to access and file with the FCC. While the comment system remained up and running the entire time, these DDoS events tied up the servers and prevented them from responding to people attempting to submit comments. We have worked with our commercial partners to address this situation and will continue to monitor developments going forward.” [1]

Given that the FCC thinks "bulk commenting" via a spreadsheet is a proper solution to their website difficulties, I don't really believe in their ability to diagnose an issue as a DDoS. More likely, lots of people were trying to comment but couldn't.

[1] http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2017...

Re: FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

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Once again: We screwed up by not making this a campaign issue.

Many of the news stations here are affiliated with internet providers. The candidates both took money from the industry. No one was going to make this an issue, and we screwed up by not forcing it to be part of the conversation.

Of course we also let the election happen without a major conversation about fracking.

Re: FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

#39
post #11

Real confirmation of an attack would be a nice-to-have in this situation. I can see 3 probable realities: 1. The sheer volume of commenters and responses took down the system. They cover it by saying a DDoS attack was the cause. 2. They are intent on crippling Net Neutrality anyway, and either designed the system to insufficiently handle traffic and call it a DDos or even DDos themselves. 3. Since there are groups wi…

4. There are idiots out there that would DDoS it simply because it's there and think it'd be "fun" to take down something important.

Re: FCC’s comment system targeted by DDoS during filing period for net neutrality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If net neutrality goes away, then incumbent corporations with existing foothold and ISP partnerships may get a monopolistic-like advantage.

Ah, good point. I wasn't thinking about the Corps with existing partnerships.

It's also the corps with money: Pay for preferred treatment and raise the barrier to entry for any competitor. Given how Microsoft reacted when they saw their greatest enemy as "some kid in their garage brewing the next killer app", that's a very real concern.
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