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Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by pdkl95 »

narrowrail wrote: post #280
rocqua wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could just MITM all connections and say 'for compatibility reasons, please install this root certificate'. With a fee, this requirement could then be waived. Dystopian but technically possible.

This type of hypothetical drives me batty, and I was tempted to be snarky. I'm not sure how to respond to the idea that there will ever be a time your ISP requires root cert installation for service, but I will be finding a way to launch a WISP of my own at that point.

It's only slightly hypothetical.

http://www.csoonline.com/article/2865806/cloud-security/gogo...

Gogo didn't require installing a root cert, but they DID issue forged certificates to MitM connections to *.google.com (and others).

Also, remember "Superfish"? Their root cert was pre-installed by Lenovo.

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Post by SkyMarshal »

jfaucett wrote: post #16

Does anyone else find the internet market odd? Up until now net neutrality and other policies have given us the following: 1. Massive monopolies which essentially control 95% of all tech (google, facebook, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc) 2. An internet where every consumer assumes everything should be free. 3. An internet where there's only enough room for a handfull of players in each market globally i.e. if you have…

>1. Massive monopolies which essentially control 95% of all tech (google, facebook, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc)

>3. An internet where there's only enough room for a handfull of players in each market globally i.e. if you have a "project-management app" there will not be a successfull one for each country much less hundreds for each country.

I'm not sure either of these have anything to do with any particular policies, rather than just the nature of all maturing industries. Consolidation is always the tendency as an industry matures. Some policies try to slow or mitigate it, for example as Federal restrictions on radio station ownership did until the Telecom Act of 1996 ended that [1]. But the natural endstate of any complex system is increasing concentration of critical resources of the system into fewer hands.

4. Huge barriers of entry for any new player into many of the markets (no one can even begin competing with google search for less than 20 million).

What exactly are the barriers to entry for search? Unlike social networks where reconstructing a social graph comparable to Facebook's is a major barrier to entry, what's to keep consumer eyeballs from just using another search engine as their default? Not much network effect there, seems habit and laziness are the only real barriers, but as far as barriers go those are the easiest for a competitor to break through. For example, I use DuckDuckGo for mine, and it's fine in all but a few edge cases.

[1]:https://futureofmusic.org/sites/default/files/FMCradiostudy0...

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Post by kortex »

jfaucett wrote: post #16

Does anyone else find the internet market odd? Up until now net neutrality and other policies have given us the following: 1. Massive monopolies which essentially control 95% of all tech (google, facebook, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc) 2. An internet where every consumer assumes everything should be free. 3. An internet where there's only enough room for a handfull of players in each market globally i.e. if you have…

> Up until now net neutrality and other policies have given us the following

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Just because NN was in place, does not give hardly any information how the events you describe would have played out.

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Post by bobtheplanner »

croon wrote: post #39

http://gofccyourself.com (redirect) Edit: If it stays blank after redirect it's because it (FCC's site) can't handle the load, or [conspiracy theory].

Please continue Title 2 regulations enforcing net neutrality. Protect our Internet from throttled pipelines by ISPs.

Re: Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by bobtheplanner »

croon wrote: post #39

http://gofccyourself.com (redirect) Edit: If it stays blank after redirect it's because it (FCC's site) can't handle the load, or [conspiracy theory].

Please retain Title 2 protections of the Internet and do not allow the throttling of the pipeline by ISPs. The Internet is needed to be freely available to support our democracy.
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