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Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Re: Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by matt4077 »

jwilk wrote: post #10

If you want people to take your article seriously, then maybe you shouldn't put a pointless animated GIF in it.

This feels like one of those complaints only ever made because "others may find it objectionable". I've seen that sentiment ruin the best ideas with mediocracy. Maybe "Marketing Correctness" would be an appropriate term: "A creative idea that everyone thinks is extraordinarily good, but that nobody is willing to embrace because they expect others to complain".

I. e. what happens when you want to name an airline "Virgin", or a morning-after pill "Plan B" and aren't Richard Branson.

Re: Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by ajross »

1ba9115454 wrote: post #2

How much of this can just be fixed by the free market? If I feel an ISP is limiting my choices wouldn't I just switch?

For the same reason the "free market" doesn't afford you competitive choice in power or gas delivery, sewer service, trash pickup, road paving outside your driveway...

Physical residential networks are, like all other civil infrastructure, natural monopolies. They don't work in a "free market" and never have. The insistence on the part of glibertarians that somehow this "regulation-free" mode will work for data when it hasn't for literally a century and a half of experience with other utilities is... frustrating.

Re: Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by weberc2 »

I wasn't impressed with this article; it reads like fear mongering. More importantly, I don't think the fix is regulation, I think it's better privacy tech + increased competition via elimination of local monopolies. Do we really want to depend on government to enforce privacy on the Internet?

Re: Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by specializeded »

jameslk wrote: post #18

I don't understand why you're getting downvoted. This is a valid question and shouldn't be downvoted so others can learn from the discussion.

You don't understand why a talking point that's been attacked and discredited every single time it's been brought up, every single time net neutrality is rearing its head is downvoted?

Why don't you just honestly say: "stop downvoting" instead of feigning this absurd obtuseness.

There were 7 top level replies to the comment before you came along, hardly lacking discussion even with the downvotes.

Re: Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by and0 »

jfaucett wrote: post #16

Does anyone else find the internet market odd? Up until now net neutrality and other policies have given us the following: 1. Massive monopolies which essentially control 95% of all tech (google, facebook, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc) 2. An internet where every consumer assumes everything should be free. 3. An internet where there's only enough room for a handfull of players in each market globally i.e. if you have…

Net neutrality has nothing to do with why we have monopolies, and is something we absolutely need in response to those monopolies.

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Post by learc83 »

jfaucett wrote: post #16

Does anyone else find the internet market odd? Up until now net neutrality and other policies have given us the following: 1. Massive monopolies which essentially control 95% of all tech (google, facebook, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc) 2. An internet where every consumer assumes everything should be free. 3. An internet where there's only enough room for a handfull of players in each market globally i.e. if you have…

Please tell me how allowing ISPs to to steer consumers towards services owned by them via preferential treatment of their data helps small businesses.

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jfaucett wrote: post #16

Does anyone else find the internet market odd? Up until now net neutrality and other policies have given us the following: 1. Massive monopolies which essentially control 95% of all tech (google, facebook, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc) 2. An internet where every consumer assumes everything should be free. 3. An internet where there's only enough room for a handfull of players in each market globally i.e. if you have…

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Re: Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by MichaelBurge »

> The order meant individuals were free to say, watch and make what they want online, without meddling or interference from Internet service providers.

> Without net neutrality, big companies could censor your voice and make it harder to speak up online.

Hmm, was it ever prohibited for e.g. some Twitter user to write your ISP an angry letter calling you a Nazi, so they shut your internet off to avoid the headache?

I've only heard about "net neutrality" in the context of bandwidth pricing. It's very different if companies are legally required to sell you internet(except maybe short of an actual crime).

Re: Net neutrality is in jeopardy again

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Post by liveoneggs »

jfaucett wrote: post #16

Does anyone else find the internet market odd? Up until now net neutrality and other policies have given us the following: 1. Massive monopolies which essentially control 95% of all tech (google, facebook, amazon, microsoft, apple, etc) 2. An internet where every consumer assumes everything should be free. 3. An internet where there's only enough room for a handfull of players in each market globally i.e. if you have…

The internet is the greatest barrier-lowering device to starting a business ever conceived.

You can, using just your skills and barely any money, compete with google and facebook this afternoon! (google and amazon will even give you a month to try for free) Your chances at winning are pretty low, but eventually someone will do it.

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