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French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by DonHopkins »

YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 wrote: post #164
DonHopkins wrote: post #162

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You're attacking imaginary straw men. And you're throwing around words whose definition you don't understand. Instead of stereotyping and attacking large diverse groups of people like you're attempting to do, let's talk about someone who really exists, and whose words are on the record, not a hypothetical subject for debate. Calling Mexicans "rapists" is intolerance. Do you tolerate people who brag about grabbing wom…

No I'm not (on both counts). But you're switching the subject... (There is nothing to be gained from this discussion, not that I didn't know it from the start.)

I'm switching the subject back to tolerance and opinions, which you raised, after you tried to divert it to attacking straw men and demonstrating that you don't know the meaning of the word "fascist".

Liberals don't think "believing in the concept of borders and controlled immigration is intolerance", they think calling Mexicans "rapists" is intolerance.

So why don't you answer my questions? Do you tolerate what Trump does without permission with his tiny little hands to women's "pussies", and do you think the opinion he expressed about being able to get away with sexual assault because he's rich is valid and tolerable?

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by user5994461 »

ameen wrote: post #166
dirtyaura wrote: post #127

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Don't fool yourself: terrorism by a few religious loonies as a problem has been and will be a drop in the ocean. The real issues are: how we organize work and social security in the global knowledge economy? How we deal with the climate change? How we deal with info ops, which is already much more destabilizing problem for western democracies than terrorism. You are right that migration is tough challenge, how we wil…

Unfortunate that posting factual thoughts about terrorism are downvoted. The "threat of terrorism" is how the right wants to organize the west.

Terrorism is nothing. People are much more worried about healthcare, jobs and pensions.

If you are French, all 3 are mostly nationalized.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 »

DonHopkins wrote: post #171
YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I'm not (on both counts). But you're switching the subject... (There is nothing to be gained from this discussion, not that I didn't know it from the start.)

I'm switching the subject back to tolerance and opinions, which you raised, after you tried to divert it to attacking straw men and demonstrating that you don't know the meaning of the word "fascist". Liberals don't think "believing in the concept of borders and controlled immigration is intolerance", they think calling Mexicans "rapists" is intolerance. So why don't you answer my questions? Do you tolerate what Trum…

Not allowed stances and opinions are certainly a facet of fascism, and the connection I stated earlier is sound. You may want to re-read what I wrote earlier if you think I described someone or some people as fascists.

FTR I don't have a problem with consensual sexual acts (including groping).

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by user5994461 »

lindbergh wrote: post #106

HN will likely rejoice. Macron is putting a lot of faith in startups to jumpstart back the french economy. I think it's wise: France has great schools to train great engineers, but there's still this stigma that it's almost impossible to have your own tech company in France unless you're ready to deal with massive paperwork. I have no idea how true it is, but Macron clearly wants to change this mentality. It also goe…

Concorde (Airbus) => Aerospace and military.

EDF => National electricity grid.

INRIA => National research center.

They are big national companies, at the intersection of massive public funding and fields that cannot be outsourced.

That's the only sort of companies that strive in the French environment.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by DonHopkins »

YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 wrote: post #173
DonHopkins wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm switching the subject back to tolerance and opinions, which you raised, after you tried to divert it to attacking straw men and demonstrating that you don't know the meaning of the word "fascist". Liberals don't think "believing in the concept of borders and controlled immigration is intolerance", they think calling Mexicans "rapists" is intolerance. So why don't you answer my questions? Do you tolerate what Trum…

Not allowed stances and opinions are certainly a facet of fascism, and the connection I stated earlier is sound. You may want to re-read what I wrote earlier if you think I described someone or some people as fascists. FTR I don't have a problem with consensual sexual acts (including groping).

Again, you demonstrate your lack of understanding of the word "fascist".

You're saying it's "fascist" to not tolerate Trump sexually assaulting women, just because he holds the opinion (and openly brags about it) that it's ok for him to do that because he's rich, therefore we are required to respect and tolerate his opinion.

FTR, Trump was not bragging about "consensual sexual acts", he was bragging about non-consensual sexual assault, and you certainly know that. Why are you being so evasive and coy, trying to divert the conversation, when we both know exactly what I'm talking about? Address Trump's own words that are on the record, not another straw man. And please don't parrot the line about "locker room talk".

Do you tolerate Trump non-consensually grabbing women by the "pussy", and do you respect his stated opinion that he can get away with it because he's rich, and believe that's valid and tolerable, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a "fascist"?

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by wayn3 »

petre wrote: post #149
wayn3 wrote: post #43

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She said that we should drop ebola on Romania as it would solve 2 problems: - We would gain valuable research data and - Get rid of a bunch of undesirables

Source?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/21/jean-marie-le-...

was on the news a couple years ago. seems like it was her daddy. my bad.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by Yetanfou »

Faaak wrote: post #120
wsc981 wrote: post #19

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As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…

I live in France near the Swiss-France border and all this talk about how more borders will reduce terrorism and immigration is completely bullshit. I cross every day the border. Twice a week, I cross another border which is meant to be closed from 19h to 6h (many small borders near the FR-CH do that). There is a simply locked barrier. Nothing more. This has been here for 25+ years. Of course, I've crossed "illegally…

Closed borders means more than just closed border crossings.

It implies that foreigners need to be able to identify themselves and show their residence permits, border ingress stamps or other proof of them being in the country legally. In this sense it can be compared to the visa waiver which non-Americans from eligible countries needed to sign before crossing the US border. It contained questions in the line of 'Are you entering the US to commit crimes' and 'Were you active in the Nazi-party in Germany from 1932-1945'. While no criminal worth her salt would answer the former question with 'yes', it did give an additional legal handle to expel her should she be caught, as well as legal grounds to deny her access the next time she tried to enter the US.

This is not possible with 'open borders' as the police and 'border guard' have a very limited mandate to check on what they deem to be suspect individuals.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by noobermin »

masklinn wrote: post #116
sbose78 wrote: post #26

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Her vote percentage has hardly gone up since the first round.

Say what? She went from 21% to 34, that's a 60% increase.

Of course, this is a run-off, so even comparing them without some sort of normalization isn't enlightening.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by cthulha »

polotics wrote: post #139
mozumder wrote: post #136

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Without the EU, they wouldn't have free labor mobility, limiting business hiring. If you want your business to succeed, you better have a free and open labor pool. This is why economies grow with open borders, because it's more labor efficient. Can you imagine not being able to hire a specialized SQL coder, because the only one available is in Austria, and you're business is in France, and there's no labor mobility?…

Replace Austria with Australia in your post, and reconsider the truth value of your EU==Labor Mobility equation ok?

Australian here: entry into EU area is a huge plus for jobs in Europe. Australian passports can use Schengen simplified entry and exit borders.

We aren't part of EU, but the EU is a very appealing place to work.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by tomp »

DonHopkins wrote: post #175
YSFEJ4SWJUVU6 wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not allowed stances and opinions are certainly a facet of fascism, and the connection I stated earlier is sound. You may want to re-read what I wrote earlier if you think I described someone or some people as fascists. FTR I don't have a problem with consensual sexual acts (including groping).

Again, you demonstrate your lack of understanding of the word "fascist". You're saying it's "fascist" to not tolerate Trump sexually assaulting women, just because he holds the opinion (and openly brags about it) that it's ok for him to do that because he's rich, therefore we are required to respect and tolerate his opinion. FTR, Trump was not bragging about "consensual sexual acts", he was bragging about non-consens…

Trump was quite explicit. He said "you can grab them by their pussy, they let you do anything". I don't see anything non-consensual here, he was quite explicit thay they consent.
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