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French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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A new hope would have been to start having a decline in the far-right votes.

Yeah totally. I wished for a 20%. Alas time moves quick and I couldn't act to ensure this locally. 35% is still way too high, but the worst is avoided.

Don't get your hopes up. The FN is probably going to get a hefty precentage in the parliamentary elections later this year. It's going to be a mess if FN and Mélenchon's party get around 20% each.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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The worst isn't avoided - just postponed. Le Pen's father received half the vote she did back in 2002. That means nationalist sentiment has doubled in just 15 years. If things go the way they are (which they will under Macron) we should expect a nationalist landslide in about a decade.

JMLP had a different game to play. Since, MLP spent years softening the FN image. Then wars and terrorism striked. Not long ago it was given that considering the context she would win. My opinion is that the 34% is peak nationalism and people will go back to normal parties.

> normal parties.

The matter is not the parties. It's ideologies. FN is prospering because of the remanent xenophobic culture of France. There is always a reason for hatred, it does not fade so easily

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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You should try to live for a few years in different European countries like Hungary, Romania and Germany. Most importantly see how each of these people see each other and their neighbours. I bet that people in Switzerland have more in common (economically and culturally) than people from Bulgaria and France have for example.

I guess the difference would be similar to NYC vs. Kentucky or Alabama vs. California. Those differences (economically and culturally) don't seem to be a too big problem for the US. To come back to the example of Switzerland, the economically and culturally differences between a mountain farmer and a Banker in Geneva shouldn't be underrated also.

You don't understand. The cultural divide is huge and we have a long history of territorial disputes. Nation states in Europe are also relatively young and still forming. Just look at Yugoslavia.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…

'I intend to leave for Asia'. Get a grip you fool, you're an immigrant yourself and you're hating on immigrants who migrate for the same reasons as you?

I will emigrate for several reasons. Because I'd like to live in a country that has:

- a warmer climate

- sensible immigration policies

- a culture where people are less direct and have more respect for everyones personal space

- a smaller government, less social security policies, people take more care for one another

- lower taxes

- great food

Do you think the immigrants that come to Europe are travelling there for the same reasons?

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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You seem to assume that without the EU, european countries would no longer cooperate and trade with each other. I don't see that happening. The European Economic Area (EEA) and the Schengen treaty exist independently from the EU. Norway and Switzerland are not members of the EU, yet they trade perfectly fine with others. The EU is simply not necessary for free trade; nor is free trade its main goal. The EU as it is r…

Without the EU, they wouldn't have free labor mobility, limiting business hiring. If you want your business to succeed, you better have a free and open labor pool. This is why economies grow with open borders, because it's more labor efficient. Can you imagine not being able to hire a specialized SQL coder, because the only one available is in Austria, and you're business is in France, and there's no labor mobility?…

> Can you imagine not being able to hire a specialized SQL coder, because the only one available is in Austria, and you're business is in France, and there's no labor mobility?

In France, you can hire a SQL coder straight from Zimbabwe, South Korea, Venezuela or any other place on earth without a problem. The laws are in place and the EU has nothing to do with it.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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As a European this comes as a huge relief, especially given the poorly-timed email leak (with Russian names in the metadata). Here's to hoping that Europe can continue working together and begin to reform itself, and not tear itself apart like some of our American 'allies' on the (alt-)right would like. Lots of challenges ahead, but we wouldn't want it to be too easy now would we?

As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…

Bonjour wsc! Your understanding of the economics I can only describe as: not even wrong. No money printing is going on, governments do not buy, but emit (..sell) bonds. The real issues are competitivity differences between countries, aging populations in dire need.of immigration (say a half syrian like Steve Jobs) and some wildly inefficient top heavy administrations, also Target2 imbalances. Read up! Bonne chance en Thailande ;-)

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…

I live in France near the Swiss-France border and all this talk about how more borders will reduce terrorism and immigration is completely bullshit. I cross every day the border. Twice a week, I cross another border which is meant to be closed from 19h to 6h (many small borders near the FR-CH do that). There is a simply locked barrier. Nothing more. This has been here for 25+ years. Of course, I've crossed "illegally…

The Geneva border is under heavy drone surveillance. Try crossing with an AK on your back.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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That's betting against the ECB. Dangerous game.

At some point, the ECB will have to face market realities.

There is a saying that the market can stay irrational for longer than you can stay solvent.

esp. if you are betring against the ECB

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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post #144

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'I intend to leave for Asia'. Get a grip you fool, you're an immigrant yourself and you're hating on immigrants who migrate for the same reasons as you?

I will emigrate for several reasons. Because I'd like to live in a country that has: - a warmer climate - sensible immigration policies - a culture where people are less direct and have more respect for everyones personal space - a smaller government, less social security policies, people take more care for one another - lower taxes - great food Do you think the immigrants that come to Europe are travelling there for…

Of course not, they have other reasons.

Which are not valid, since the only good reasons are the ones you listed.

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