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French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by dirtyaura »

sparkling wrote: post #9
orf wrote: post #2

As a European this comes as a huge relief, especially given the poorly-timed email leak (with Russian names in the metadata). Here's to hoping that Europe can continue working together and begin to reform itself, and not tear itself apart like some of our American 'allies' on the (alt-)right would like. Lots of challenges ahead, but we wouldn't want it to be too easy now would we?

Any 12 year old kiddie can change meta data on files. Faking meta data to place false clues is intelligence service 101 as documented by many NSA/CIA leaks.

It still seems that the leak was amplified by alt-right bot networks https://medium.com/dfrlab/hashtag-campaign-macronleaks-4a3fb...

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by marbletiles »

alexro wrote: post #13

Did she set up concentration camps or plans to?

Do you think that is the sole criterion for being able to call her a fascist? Because it's not. And a French court ruled it is legitimate to call her fascist too: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/03/20...

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by sbose78 »

lindbergh wrote: post #14
sbose78 wrote: post #3

I'm curious how things work? This is just a prediction? Is this an official exit poll?

Polls close at 7pm except in larger cities, but counting of votes start at this time. It's forbidden to leak the results until 8pm, at which time the sample is large enough to give a precise estimate, unlikely to move by much.

If polls haven't closed yet, shouldn't exit polls be made illegal? Because exit polls can manipulate opinions.

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by jjawssd »

wsc981 wrote: post #19
orf wrote: post #2

As a European this comes as a huge relief, especially given the poorly-timed email leak (with Russian names in the metadata). Here's to hoping that Europe can continue working together and begin to reform itself, and not tear itself apart like some of our American 'allies' on the (alt-)right would like. Lots of challenges ahead, but we wouldn't want it to be too easy now would we?

As a European I see this as a huge concern. Choosing Macron means keeping the status quo, which means continued mass immigration, continued bad economic policy, etc... in Europe. I am sure the bankers will be glad as will the European Commission and the multinationals, but the common people will become disillusioned in a few years as more and more terrorist attacks will happen into Europe and the problems with the ec…

How can one profit off of the collapse of the European Union?

Re: French election: Macron defeats Le Pen

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Post by jupp0r »

alexro wrote: post #13

Did she set up concentration camps or plans to?

Not that I'm aware of, but that's actually orthogonal to facsism, think of Soviet labor camps, North Korea, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism.

> Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete, and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war, and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.

This fits pretty well to Le Pen (and Trump if you think about it).

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