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What’s The Secret Behind Diapers.com Success? A Kiva Robot Warehouse

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Re: What’s The Secret Behind Diapers.com Success? A Kiva Robot Warehouse

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how much of the work force will automation eventually render permanently unemployed? i'm not a luddite - i think this is inevitable and there's no point resisting it. but some of the consequences might be worth thinking through.

It's only because of our crazy and short-term way of looking at things that this is even considered a problem.

People losing their jobs because robots replace menial warehouse jobs is a good thing. They can move onto doing more worthwhile tasks.

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Since this is basically what Piggly Wiggly brought to the world of grocery retail in 1916, but with the customers replaced by robots (tee-hee), I wonder how long it will be before robots do the moving around of products at a supermarket near you?

Whether I shop at a warehouse store, or I go to the big department store and or supermarket chain stores that are all evolving into the same kind of 150,000+ sq. ft. 'everything' store (i.e. warehouse stores with better product packaging and shinier floors), I can see that retailers are already doing warehouse-sized volume in cities all over the planet.

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Wait, they fly airplanes full of diapers to the West Coast!? I wonder what quantity of jet fuel exhaust gets spewed into the atmosphere, just so you can get diapers the next day . Even with the increased per-worker efficiency, is the overall environmental impact worse or better than cloth systems, or simply getting them from the corner store?

Cloth diapers are worse for the environment compared to disposable, no matter how you get it. (Disposable uses landfill space of which we have unlimited quantities, but cloth uses water which is in short supply. Also cloth uses more energy.) But it's easy to tell if this method is better or worse for the environment: You have to pay for jet fuel, or truck fuel, or whatever. All forms of energy cost about the same. If…

Do you have some more information on this? Our first will arrive within the next 2 weeks and this sounds really interesting.

Re: What’s The Secret Behind Diapers.com Success? A Kiva Robot Warehouse

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Wait, they fly airplanes full of diapers to the West Coast!? I wonder what quantity of jet fuel exhaust gets spewed into the atmosphere, just so you can get diapers the next day . Even with the increased per-worker efficiency, is the overall environmental impact worse or better than cloth systems, or simply getting them from the corner store?

Sorry, the futuristic rail system will arrive a little later. Two steps forward, one step back. Right-sizing the boxes goes a long way towards using extra capacity. If you don't need them the next day, is shipping them in tractor trailers that much better?

> "is shipping them in tractor trailers that much better?"

Also, having the product carried the entire way in bulk, large-scale transport filled to the brim seems a might more efficient than little single-occupancy vehicles all converging on a retailer miles from their own homes.

I suspect we'd all save a lot of fuel if somehow all products were delivered to the home instead of forcing cars and SUVs onto the road to retrieve them piecemeal.

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Sorry, the futuristic rail system will arrive a little later. Two steps forward, one step back. Right-sizing the boxes goes a long way towards using extra capacity. If you don't need them the next day, is shipping them in tractor trailers that much better?

> "is shipping them in tractor trailers that much better?" Also, having the product carried the entire way in bulk, large-scale transport filled to the brim seems a might more efficient than little single-occupancy vehicles all converging on a retailer miles from their own homes. I suspect we'd all save a lot of fuel if somehow all products were delivered to the home instead of forcing cars and SUVs onto the road to…

That's a really good point. UPS is relentless when it comes to route planning and fuel saving. They don't even make left turns.

I've seen old women visit 5 different grocery stores in a day to save a few cents with coupons at each.

Re: What’s The Secret Behind Diapers.com Success? A Kiva Robot Warehouse

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how much of the work force will automation eventually render permanently unemployed? i'm not a luddite - i think this is inevitable and there's no point resisting it. but some of the consequences might be worth thinking through.

Redistribute some wealth from those profiting from automation to the unemployed.

Why?

Re: What’s The Secret Behind Diapers.com Success? A Kiva Robot Warehouse

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post #12

how much of the work force will automation eventually render permanently unemployed? i'm not a luddite - i think this is inevitable and there's no point resisting it. but some of the consequences might be worth thinking through.

I heard a figure somewhere that something like 1/4 of all jobs shed during the recession will never be replaced due to automation...

Re: What’s The Secret Behind Diapers.com Success? A Kiva Robot Warehouse

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how much of the work force will automation eventually render permanently unemployed? i'm not a luddite - i think this is inevitable and there's no point resisting it. but some of the consequences might be worth thinking through.

It's only because of our crazy and short-term way of looking at things that this is even considered a problem. People losing their jobs because robots replace menial warehouse jobs is a good thing. They can move onto doing more worthwhile tasks.

What happens when robots can do more worthwhile tasks than a wide swath of humanity? This point doesn't seem very far away. There are tons of jobs that don't require creativity, and those don't seem long for this world.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only because of our crazy and short-term way of looking at things that this is even considered a problem. People losing their jobs because robots replace menial warehouse jobs is a good thing. They can move onto doing more worthwhile tasks.

What happens when robots can do more worthwhile tasks than a wide swath of humanity? This point doesn't seem very far away. There are tons of jobs that don't require creativity, and those don't seem long for this world.

The jobs available in the post-robotic-revolution world and the necessary skills haven't yet been thought of. Once upon a time, most people were illiterate.

Re: What’s The Secret Behind Diapers.com Success? A Kiva Robot Warehouse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens when robots can do more worthwhile tasks than a wide swath of humanity? This point doesn't seem very far away. There are tons of jobs that don't require creativity, and those don't seem long for this world.

The jobs available in the post-robotic-revolution world and the necessary skills haven't yet been thought of. Once upon a time, most people were illiterate.

Most people were illiterate in the past because they didn't go to school. I don't think it makes sense to assume that some magical force will make people useful for non-automatable tasks in the future. Unless we achieve major breakthroughs in education, a large portion of society will be less capable than cheaper robots, and will therefore be unemployable.
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